How long did it take for you to find these?

[SwampNut]

But so is youtube and television.
Talking morons are on all social media.

What does that have to do with radio versus all the ad-free and moron-free radio alternatives? Also, my TV has zero ads, not one. I'd throw it through the window if it did.

I've been driving our Tesla a lot lately, and rarely touch the Jeep any more. The controls are on the front of the steering wheel and on the "wrong" sides. Volume and track are on the left, along with push to pause. GOD I LOVE THAT! Why the hell does Jeep not have a pause? I have never once wanted to change source, but use pause all the time. I prefer volume on right like the Jeep, but it only took about a month to really build the muscle memory of the change on that car. And I'm on self-driving 98% anyway so no hands.

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[ShadowsPapa]

What does that have to do with radio versus all the ad-free and moron-free radio alternatives? Also, my TV has zero ads, not one. I'd throw it through the window if it did.

I've been driving our Tesla a lot lately, and rarely touch the Jeep any more. The controls are on the front of the steering wheel and on the "wrong" sides. Volume and track are on the left, along with push to pause. GOD I LOVE THAT! Why the hell does Jeep not have a pause? I have never once wanted to change source, but use pause all the time. I prefer volume on right like the Jeep, but it only took about a month to really build the muscle memory of the change on that car. And I'm on self-driving 98% anyway so no hands.

You talked like free radio was the only place with talking morons. I simply pointed out that they exist everywhere. So why wouldn't they be on free radio?
Lucky you - no ads. Some of us don't have that luxury.

 

[SwampNut]

They don't exist everywhere, just a lot of places, and you can avoid them. It's a choice, ads are a choice. Yes, that garbage is a pet peeve, it's bad for society and bad for individuals.

 

[awraynor]

And that the nubbin on the left takes you back to Sirius station 1 for example.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

They don't exist everywhere, just a lot of places, and you can avoid them. It's a choice, ads are a choice. Yes, that garbage is a pet peeve, it's bad for society and bad for individuals.

I use Tablo....... skip commercials. Otherwise where we live, no cable, no broadband.

 

[KX L]

What does that have to do with radio versus all the ad-free and moron-free radio alternatives? Also, my TV has zero ads, not one. I'd throw it through the window if it did.

I've been driving our Tesla a lot lately, and rarely touch the Jeep any more. The controls are on the front of the steering wheel and on the "wrong" sides. Volume and track are on the left, along with push to pause. GOD I LOVE THAT! Why the hell does Jeep not have a pause? I have never once wanted to change source, but use pause all the time. I prefer volume on right like the Jeep, but it only took about a month to really build the muscle memory of the change on that car. And I'm on self-driving 98% anyway so no hands.

Wow. Great majority of time you're on the vehicle self driving, what are you doing?

I enjoy driving way too much to let someone/thing do it. I want to be involved in driving hence the 6 speed manual. The reason I bought all the option packages but the smokers group is for insurance breaks and resale value after I kick the bucket.

 

[SwampNut]

All kinds of things. Work, reading, or just watching the road and enjoying the drive a lot more.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I have trouble riding with someone else driving. My OCD and intense/severe ADHD drive me batty with someone else at the wheel. I have trouble letting anyone else do wiring or plumbing around the house (so I normally do it all myself unless my age and arthritis get in the way now)
To let a car self-drive - naw, ain't gonna happen. I MUST be involved, it can't be any other way. Even with ACC I know I can kill it any time I want, I can over-ride it, I can change the settings with the press of a button. But I am still driving, I control it all, I steer, I handle ultimate speed, distance and direction and how I come to a stop or pull away from one, and I am watching all of the drivers around me and can maneuver in traffic based on those observations.
It's a sense I have, and read about it decades ago in a Popular Science mag issue.
I actually almost have anxiety issues with someone else at the wheel, even if they are a great driver.

 

[SwampNut]

All of those "take over" things apply to self driving also.

I know that the computer drives better than any human including me, so it only took a few weeks to get over the feeling of panic.

 

[chorky]

I know that the computer drives better than any human including me,

Until the computer or sensors or something fails....

 

[SwampNut]

Until the computer or sensors or something fails....

"When something fails something fails." Yes, that is obvious. Like the 19,936 human failures EVERY DAY that cause collisions. The failure rate of sensors and computers is a ridiculously tiny fraction of that.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

All of those "take over" things apply to self driving also.

I know that the computer drives better than any human including me, so it only took a few weeks to get over the feeling of panic.

So if I see a situation where I know what's going to happen, based on experience and observation, I can zip int - or out of - an area by simply grabbing the wheel, hitting the "throttle" and making it happen instantly? There is no lag, no fuss, I just grab the wheel and slip into a spot or get away from someone I need to get away from?

The failure rate of sensors and computers is a ridiculously tiny fraction of that.

Maybe - maybe not in my case. I have an appointment for my truck in a couple of weeks because ABS doesn't ABS and traction control doesn't.
I can lock the front brakes and slide the front end, I can take off from a slippery stop and slide the back end sideways with great ease. The truck never complains or tries to take control.

They were baffled and said I needed to make a specific appointment as they saw no codes (well, neither did I!) and found no issues with the generic inspection of things.

I do appreciate warnings and the auto-braking due to the idiots out there that move from the far left lane into the right lane ahead of you just 6 feet away and then hit their brakes to turn right........ but then there are other times if I wasn't paying attention no automation could have prevented another idiot from clipping my bumper as they zipped in and out of traffic.
Humans - in my case - can predict some of those things, a computer can't. They don't see how other drivers are behaving and can't "prepare" for what's coming next. I see someone about to do something really stupid - the computer can only react as it happens.
I am watching 360 degrees, aware at all times of what's in the mirrors, 1/4 mile ahead of me, and observe the behavior of the other drivers. When the automation can do that, I'm ready.

I have also found that many of those systems fail in our winters. Snow, ice, dirt on the glass - things like ACC and auto high beam fail to work until I wipe the dirt and mud off the front glass.
I've had ACC screw up and collision avoidance stop because of the crap on the roads being thrown up by your own front wheels or the semis flying past you at ludicrous speed and you run through half a tank of washer fluid in an hour drive - and ACC and auto high beam stop working because they can't see (but I can)

 

[Gladiator832]

The Willy has the same steering wheel as my Ram. Just newer DESIGNED buttons.

 

[SwampNut]

So if I see a situation where I know what's going to happen, based on experience and observation, I can zip int - or out of - an area by simply grabbing the wheel, hitting the "throttle" and making it happen instantly? There is no lag, no fuss, I just grab the wheel and slip into a spot or get away from someone I need to get away from?

Yes, if you move the wheel at all, autopilot is off instantly. If you push throttle you get throttle just like adaptive, and if you brake it drops all of them. If you turn the wheel it will still leave intelligent cruise on (which is smarter than the adaptive in the Jeep). So you have multiple ways to take over instantly.

You can't compare the Jeep and Tesla. The moron who would have clipped you probably would be noticed by the Tesla, but not the Jeep. My brother was driving when someone did that, and he said the car's reaction was violent but accurate. Scared the shit out of him, but saved a collision. A friend went to hit the brakes in his because of a collision right in front of him, but the car beat him to it. Oh, the Tesla bounces RADAR under the car in front to see the next car up. I've got about 8k miles on both systems, and the Jeep is a game of Pong while the Tesla is today's VR. It can also see blind spots where you can't. And it sees 360 at all times, if you're a standard-issue human, you don't, I certainly don't.

There are two redundant sets of steering controls and sensors.

 

[KX L]

I have trouble riding with someone else driving. My OCD and intense/severe ADHD drive me batty with someone else at the wheel. I have trouble letting anyone else do wiring or plumbing around the house (so I normally do it all myself unless my age and arthritis get in the way now)
To let a car self-drive - naw, ain't gonna happen. I MUST be involved, it can't be any other way. Even with ACC I know I can kill it any time I want, I can over-ride it, I can change the settings with the press of a button. But I am still driving, I control it all, I steer, I handle ultimate speed, distance and direction and how I come to a stop or pull away from one, and I am watching all of the drivers around me and can maneuver in traffic based on those observations.
It's a sense I have, and read about it decades ago in a Popular Science mag issue.
I actually almost have anxiety issues with someone else at the wheel, even if they are a great driver.

I barely have OCD and no ADHD but I do have a need to be in control. I also get motion sick quite easily and more so being on some of the meds I'm on.

More importantly, 99% of the people I've ridden with just aren't as knowledgeable or competent at driving as I am [says every guy I know ].

They don't understand the highway system or markers [Interstate: SW is lowest #s and NE is highest, an exit sign on the top of the name of the exit means you'll exit left etc etc]. They insist on staying in the left lane and refuse to let faster traffic pass. They have no clue how to drive over bumps in the road by slowing down prior to it and then adding gas right before it to get the shocks moving upward. They're either on the gas or the brake and don't understand coasting at all when in traffic or see there is going to be a stop ahead. They don't don't know how to ease up on the brake just before a solid stop etc etc.

Just recently here the state/county/city took out the lights to get on I-70 and replaced it with a roundabout---with absolutely no training on it or signage on how to use it. So almost no one uses a turn signal at all and none of these idiots around here understand the design is to encourage all traffic to keep moving. No one understands that the left signal is to stay on until the you change to the right turn signal when the next road of the roundabout is your exit.

So the lines from one person waiting for a completely clear road are simply ridiculous. And made worse when an idiot won't go when someone does use their right turn signal, [indicating to the one holding everything up that they can merge in]. Roundabouts are great---but only if people understand them---and our [USA] complete lack of driver training or holding drivers accountable for doing anything against the rules of the road [texting while driving, left lane hoggers etc etc] means we'll never get there. They only go after those who speed, weave, run a stop sign/light.

And because we can't be political please don't comment on the fact that the police absolutely do pull poor and minority people over for broken lights etc in order to have a look to see if anything is suspicious in the vehicle. [Both my son and son-in-law are police officers in SoCal so please don't accuse me of not loving the police and what they do]

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