Delete push button start, go back to keyed ignition? The rfid brick has to go...

[WILDHOBO]

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[Sunbeam63]

i am not reading 25 pages. did anyone actually answer his question? i hate push buttons and if anyone made a kit to remove the button and put a physical key in there i would probably buy it. my parents also have a gladiator and have drove off with the keys in the passengers pocket. the passenger gets dropped off to then leave the driver stranded when they eventually turn the truck off.

I don’t know if this is possible, but the Dodge Ram Promaster van used a keyed ignition with an RFID chip. I think it had it up to the 2021 model. I wonder if that ignition cylinder could ever be installed in place of the push start button. It looks like it would take some work.

 

[SwampNut]

There's a reason some things have to make you unlock the phone

Yes, shitty programming, laziness, idiocy. Everything should work like the Tesla does, and how the Home app works for unlocking the house and setting the "arrive" scenes. Just do it if I'm nearby with the phone in my pocket.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Yes, shitty programming, laziness, idiocy. Everything should work like the Tesla does, and how the Home app works for unlocking the house and setting the "arrive" scenes. Just do it if I'm nearby with the phone in my pocket.

The laziness is in Tesla’s poor security practices. They do what people like, whether it’s smart or not.

 

[SwampNut]

It’s smart to give people what they want.

 

[WILDHOBO]

It’s smart to give people what they want.

Unless it’s unsafe. People want cars without seatbelts. Should we give them to them because they want them?

 

[SwampNut]

Nobody wants that, you can just not wear it. There’s no credible threat from unlocking my car with a phone that’s locked. It’s a silly fear.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Nobody wants that, you can just not wear it. There’s no credible threat from unlocking my car with a phone that’s locked. It’s a silly fear.

I was referring to teslas unregulated self driving technology, using owners as beta testers, as being unsafe. I have no fear of unlocking cars with phones. A key fob doesn’t need to be unlocked anymore than a phone.

 

[SwampNut]

Oh yeah, I just took a road trip self driving and played on my iPad. I am THAT asshole.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Musk is an a hole. I don’t know you, and didn’t call you one. I’m glad it’s worked for you. But it’s something that should involve the driver paying attention so they can take over if necessary. I’ll never give musk a penny. My choice. Not pushing it on others.

 

[SwampNut]

Musk is a major asshole. This does not affect my product choice.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

My point is that if a phone can make payments, if it can unlock a car, if it can unlock a house....... it's a key and if you lose that key or set it down anywhere, someone can pick it up and start walking near higher-end vehicles with it.
Now someone will say "but I NEVER lose anything, phone is ALWAYS in a pocket, phone never ever gets set down anywhere no one can ever see it - great, glad life is perfect, but for the general population, it's just plain dangerous like having the key to everything, including a bank account, on the same key ring. Stuff happens. People get distracted - they sit, they talk, someone hollers at them or grab s their attention...... I have seen phones left on benches, in shopping carts and other places. So what if I was the type to pick up that phone and think - hey, what if....... and start shopping and paying with it, or walk around a parking lot - let's see what this phone does.
I have my JT fob in a holster clipped to me - never in a pocket, never any need to ever take it in hand to do anything. I can't forget it and leave it in the back, I can't leave it in a coat pocket, I can't drop it, it can't fall out of my pocket if I reach for anything else (my SIL found 20 bucks laying in a parking lot next to a car - likely dropped out when someone reached in for a key)
Stuff happens. Some people have perfect memories and would never lose or forget anything, but most don't. The stuff in "lost and found" boxes is sometimes amazing.
So technology should consider the lowest common denominator.
I would never respond to phishing, either, and can recognize such things 100 yards away and yet I was often getting alerts that someone had clicked a link........... and that's just days after TRAINING.

 

[SwampNut]

Yes, just like a lost normal key or RFID

My point is that if a phone can make payments, if it can unlock a car, if it can unlock a house....... it's a key and if you lose that key or set it down anywhere, someone can pick it up and start walking near higher-end vehicles with it.

So? Who cares? You're saying that it's just like an RFID fob or regular key? But not really, because the Tesla doesn't react or let you know that your phone is nearby, until you try to open a door. With a lost fob the thief can press the button from very far away and find the car. A lost phone will not let the thief do anything unless he walks up to the specific car and pulls a door handle.

 

[seven30]

We kinda like them.

I'm headed to CA in my self driving car shortly, please pray that I don't get driven off a cliff because "they" wanted to kill me.

Just make sure you owe a LOT on that Tesla and you should be good

 

[seven30]

Soo

My point is that if a phone can make payments, if it can unlock a car, if it can unlock a house....... it's a key and if you lose that key or set it down anywhere, someone can pick it up and start walking near higher-end vehicles with it.
Now someone will say "but I NEVER lose anything, phone is ALWAYS in a pocket, phone never ever gets set down anywhere no one can ever see it - great, glad life is perfect, but for the general population, it's just plain dangerous like having the key to everything, including a bank account, on the same key ring. Stuff happens. People get distracted - they sit, they talk, someone hollers at them or grab s their attention...... I have seen phones left on benches, in shopping carts and other places. So what if I was the type to pick up that phone and think - hey, what if....... and start shopping and paying with it, or walk around a parking lot - let's see what this phone does.
I have my JT fob in a holster clipped to me - never in a pocket, never any need to ever take it in hand to do anything. I can't forget it and leave it in the back, I can't leave it in a coat pocket, I can't drop it, it can't fall out of my pocket if I reach for anything else (my SIL found 20 bucks laying in a parking lot next to a car - likely dropped out when someone reached in for a key)
Stuff happens. Some people have perfect memories and would never lose or forget anything, but most don't. The stuff in "lost and found" boxes is sometimes amazing.
So technology should consider the lowest common denominator.
I would never respond to phishing, either, and can recognize such things 100 yards away and yet I was often getting alerts that someone had clicked a link........... and that's just days after TRAINING.

Soon for a small additional fee the dealer can just implant it for you.

My issue is not with the fob but with a button. I would prefer a rotary switch which could even have a spot for a key if you cant find your fob. So you need EITHER the key or fob, not both.

When I was a kid I had a 1962 Peugeot 403 that had a hole in the bumper for a hand crank. I used to start it that way at parties to blow everybody's mind. Won a few bets too!

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