EV - not ready for the masses?

[ShadowsPapa]

These poor people. You may be fine commuting, but these folks proved, meh, these aren't ready for replacing a regular vehicle if you have to drive anywhere but work or the grocery store.
And I figured, even with my wife's Grand Cherokee, we'd have paid only about $200 more for gas than they did for charging costs on the road, and, we'd have gotten there a lot faster and easier.
My son's Compass would have gotten there for less than 200 more, and there are a lot of gas powered cars breaking the 30 mpg barrier that would have cost a lot less than 200 more to get there.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/electric-car-four-day-trip-more-time-charging-sleeping

Remember, many vehicles rely on braking, coasting, whatever, to regenerate, and if you take mostly highway trips, or do driving with little use of brakes, you are in constant drain mode, not putting anything back.
They also commented on the huge lack of places to charge, needing to turn off cooling, turn down wipers and do other things just to make it to the next charging station. They mention the inability to use cruise control - LOL - electric drain, eh?

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[Rahkmalla]

EVs are cool. Any household in a position to do so should have one. But having only EVs is a dicey proposition.

 

[j.o.y.ride]

It'll work for some but there's a huge swath of people EV is just not right for. They're a super long way off from working for us.

We won't own any, possibly ever.

 

[dos0711]

The toxic pollution the spent batteries will produce makes todays internal combustion engines look like an environmentalist dream

 

[j.o.y.ride]

The toxic pollution the spent batteries will produce makes todays internal combustion engines look like an environmentalist dream

elon can shoot them all into the sun on his rockets... he could pilot one to be sure it's on course

 

[Zybane]

The toxic pollution the spent batteries will produce makes todays internal combustion engines look like an environmentalist dream

That is a myth and not true.

The cleaner lifetime operations of the EV still comes in noticeably cleaner than ICE vehicles, even taking into consideration the EV's higher production and end-of-life disposal.

 

[AmosMoses01]

Yup, battery based EV's are cool, but are not a completely viable alternative to ye olde gas and diesel vehicles. Based on all the skewed and spun data on environmental benefits/detriments, I'm not sure I trust anything reported until there is fully open kimono "here's our data, here's our model, here's how we came up with this" type of reporting. The anecdotal experience listed in the news article matches what I'd expect based off of friends' experiences - which can be summed up as, "yes you can travel cross country, but you will not enjoy it if you have any sort of expectation of travelling in the same time you would in a non-EV."

I'd love to see hydrogen based solutions become viable - the technology is already there, but a distribution system isn't by a long shot, and you can be sure that the entrenched parties (both legacy petroleum and EVs) will do their part to push back on hydrogen making any headway.

 

[ZoMojave]

For anyone thinking that EV's will solve what tailpipe emissions has created, think again.

Pollution from tires, brakes more than 1,000 times worse than tailpipe exhaust (autoblog.com)

 

[jeepers29]

That is a myth and not true.

The cleaner lifetime operations of the EV still comes in noticeably cleaner than ICE vehicles, even taking into consideration the EV's higher production and end-of-life disposal.

Where did this graph come from and is there any write up to support it? Not saying it isn't correct, but anybody can make a graph.

 

[The Bean]

I’m an advocate for EV’s. EV’s are the future, it’s where the manufacturers (and many governments) are heading in already. But I don’t believe battery electric is the only solution.

I think series hybrids, PHEV’s and FCEV’s have their places as well. PHEV (and FCEV) are the ideal setup. The 4Xe system in the JL is a fantastic powertrain. Real-world usage is around 36 miles of pure EV range, and total driving range of around 600 miles. You get all the power of a 392 JL, without the fuel economy penalty.

FCEV’s are really the ideal. Compressed liquid hydrogen, runs through an electric motor, emits pure H2O. “Refuel” in the same amount of time as an ICE vehicle, but driving range over 600 miles. The biggest drawback to FCEV is that hydrogen charging infrastructure is essentially non-existent. CA and NJ are the only two states that have hydrogen stations but they’re in single digit numbers. Even in foreign markets hydrogen stations are few and far between.

While BEV’s are cool, they aren’t the end all be all of the EV future.

 

[FLGladiator]

I got a cyber truck on order for 3 years now. I'll keep the jeep also, but I didn't buy it for the climate nonsense and could care less about EVs, I bought it for the autonomous driving. Thats the real future. Uber and lyft have been mapping routes for years so they can dump all the drivers and leave self drivers in the busiest areas. At that point they won't need people to be ready or not, they will set up autonomous charging stations that can be driven into so there will be no human involvement.

 

[ZTMAN]

I reserved a Lightning last May. Supposed to be built sometime this summer. Never thought I would buy and EV, but I had the opportunity to order one of the Pro models.

Seems like a bargain. Optioned our at $45k, less tax rebates, net price less than $40k for a full size 4wd truck, with a frunk.

I agree it will not be suitable for long trips, but we have that covered with our gas vehicles.

 

[Jakeyou]

The toxic pollution the spent batteries will produce makes todays internal combustion engines look like an environmentalist dream

Bigger batteries in EVs could lead to colossal boost in particulate emissions—from tires, study suggests. Putting bigger battery packs in EVs can boost range, but a new study suggests it could also lead to a major increase in particulate emissions—from tires.

 

[Blade1668]

Well I could set up a solar system to recharge a EV on my land, but being a drive to anywhere with more than a Dollar store and or Walmart is 20 mile drive or more. I would be S. O. L. getting home much less my driveway. Charging a E.V. from my power company would break someone, compared with other power companies in AL. (The cost of my electric wouldn't be much different than what I spent on drive below considering what I had with me plus hotel expenses even more.) a E bike would be a different situation. Over my extended Memorial weekend I drove quite a few miles, from N. AL. to Houston TX. not the shortest or most direct route, around 1600 plus miles. Averaging cost ended up around 17-18 cents a mile in fuel with the S##### gas prices. Camping out nights, hauling around 20 gallon of water and probably 700 or so lbs. of camping stuff including hard shell RTT. Could I have done that with current E.V.s not with out S### loads of logistical planning to find charging stations if available in half the route. I only took HWY or I State where no option.
Oh I was on waiting list for one of the E.V. trucks for way to many years on that vaporware E.V.s.... S### loads of hype and B.S. nothing actually produced for years.

FYI: A Shout out to all here I passed and waved too. I seen probably 30 JT's and many Wranglers, JK's, JL's. I had a really friendly lady in black sports car I wished I had a little more time to talk with. oh well there's still next time...

 

[WILDHOBO]

These poor people. You may be fine commuting, but these folks proved, meh, these aren't ready for replacing a regular vehicle if you have to drive anywhere but work or the grocery store.
And I figured, even with my wife's Grand Cherokee, we'd have paid only about $200 more for gas than they did for charging costs on the road, and, we'd have gotten there a lot faster and easier.
My son's Compass would have gotten there for less than 200 more, and there are a lot of gas powered cars breaking the 30 mpg barrier that would have cost a lot less than 200 more to get there.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/electric-car-four-day-trip-more-time-charging-sleeping

Remember, many vehicles rely on braking, coasting, whatever, to regenerate, and if you take mostly highway trips, or do driving with little use of brakes, you are in constant drain mode, not putting anything back.
They also commented on the huge lack of places to charge, needing to turn off cooling, turn down wipers and do other things just to make it to the next charging station. They mention the inability to use cruise control - LOL - electric drain, eh?

These are mostly inaccurate statements based on no real information. Take it from someone who has owned 5 plug-ins to date from multiple manufacturers. You of course can use the cruise control. It’s more battery efficient. No you don’t need to turn down your wipers. This is absolutely false. You get enormous regeneration on the interstate, especially if there are some hills to go down. Your figures regarding cost to charge compared with cost to fill a gas tank couldn’t be further from accurate. We spent many years with two electric daily drivers. Our average increase in our electric bill was around $100. And one of ours was doing 140 miles round trip, 4 days per week. That’s a lot of kw per week. It’s not even close to the cost of gas. Depending on your tank size, most people spend between $60 and $100 per tank to fill up. And usually several times per month to fill up. Fox News should be the last source for accurate EV statistics. They get their ratings with controversy, not accurate reporting.

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