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Further, we really have no idea what sort of sales numbers that Jeep is targeting. We've been throwing around 100k, which came from the same article where Marchionne said it would be intentionally expensive. But looking back, what he said was that it would be expensive BECAUSE it's a...

Depending on where you live and how you heat your home... ;)

The GM twins with the diesel were rated 22/30/25 mpg for 2018 in 2wd form, though for some reason it's down to 20/30/23 mpg for 2019. 4wd versions are 19/28/22mpg for 2019.

I voted 2 door, extended cab, though I'd like at least a 6' or 6.5' bed. For me, the extended cab is less about passengers and more about some interior storage.

Interesting that although the JT wheelbase is about 9" longer than the ZR2, the total length is essentially the same (0.4" shorter for the JT). The wheelbase and total length for the ZR2 are the same for the extended cab or crew, according to the Chevy site, with the difference coming out of...

I thought I saw, and was mentioned in a video, that the front of the bed had a notch to slide in a 2x4. This, in conjunction with the half position of the gate, work to support sheet goods.

Maybe that's what I'm thinking of but misheard the cartoon colors comment (cartoon rings a bell).

I thought I heard Allen say in one of the videos (TFL maybe) that the colors would tend to be more muted, and less of the bright, colorful stuff. He says some colors would be shared with the JL but others would be Gladiator specific.

I first saw it in the same article that Marchionne said the truck would be expensive. http://www.autonews.com/article/20180115/OEM01/180119791/fca-could-be-net-cash-positive-by-june-marchionne-says?X-IgnoreUserAgent=1

Nobody is "bad mouthing" those who want a 2 door. I'M one of those that would prefer a 2 door. But I also recognize the simple reality that most trucks sold are 4 doors these days, government regulations encourage 4 doors, it's not designed for the work/ fleet market, and Jeep has...

I'm hoping for either Boston, Worcester or Providence. The JL was at Boston last year for sure, so I would think that the JT will appear too.

Yes, the concept was an extended cab. Maybe because it was likely based on the upcoming JKU frame? Meanwhile the Brute stretched the JKU frame and the JT has a unique frame, longer than the JLU.

Maybe because Ford sold nearly 900,000 F Series pickups last year, so even if the take rate on standard/extended cabs was just 20%, that's still 180,000 trucks. That's still a profitable line to produce, unlike 20,000 for the Gladiator at Jeep's projected total sales. Furthermore, F250...

Sorry, my post was merely intended to support your point. I'm doubtful that a Gladiator is in my near future, v6 or diesel. But at this point I couldn't justify the diesel on economic grounds anyway.

Fractionally more emissions... sometimes. That point shouldn't be ignored. From the reporting and government story, one might assume that these VWs are spewing pollution. In reality they were emitting slightly more in certain situations. And given that the "fixed" 2015 and 2016 Jettas are...

I guess my point is more: FCA is insistent that it's not just a Wrangler with a bed, but ask the average person and what do you think they see? It's like they have to keep telling us that it's a truck with truck capabilities, because they know what it looks like. If it looked like the Crew...

Exactly. They say the name reflects their truck heritage, and that it was designed as a truck first. But it looks like a Wrangler with a bed. Nothing wrong with that, but it somewhat undermines their argument. If they're going to use a historic nameplate, it should at least evoke the...

So... Completely Expected "New" Look :cwl:

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The JL was at the New England International auto show last year, so hopefully the JT will appear this year. Quick shot down to Boston for me.