2024 vs 2021 SPORT S seat difference?

[silvertoy]

So I installed KATZKIN leather seats in my 2021 and I'm contemplating trading it in for a 2024 and wondering if I can direct swap my 2021 seats into the 2024 (unbolting and swap, not the covers., the whole seat). So yes I'm thinking of trading it in and swapping the newish katzkin seats from my '21 Jeep into the new '24 and putting the new '24 seats into the old Jeep that's getting traded.

So questions:
1. Are there any differences in the bolting between the 2?
2. Are there any differences in the connectors (sensors, airbags, etc)
3. Are there any parts of the 2024 side airbags that are integral to the seats that would be messed up by swapping out to the 2021 seats.

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[Stan H]

So I installed KATZKIN leather seats in my 2021 and I'm contemplating trading it in for a 2024 and wondering if I can direct swap my 2021 seats into the 2024 (unbolting and swap, not the covers., the whole seat). So yes I'm thinking of trading it in and swapping the newish katzkin seats from my '21 Jeep into the new '24 and putting the new '24 seats into the old Jeep that's getting traded.

So questions:
1. Are there any differences in the bolting between the 2?
2. Are there any differences in the connectors (sensors, airbags, etc)
3. Are there any parts of the 2024 side airbags that are integral to the seats that would be messed up by swapping out to the 2021 seats.

What dealership would let you do that ?? Are you keeping both ?
I would say the installation bolt holes are the same but the wiring may be different if it had electric seats heated seats .etc...

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So I installed KATZKIN leather seats in my 2021 and I'm contemplating trading it in for a 2024 and wondering if I can direct swap my 2021 seats into the 2024 (unbolting and swap, not the covers., the whole seat). So yes I'm thinking of trading it in and swapping the newish katzkin seats from my '21 Jeep into the new '24 and putting the new '24 seats into the old Jeep that's getting traded.

So questions:
1. Are there any differences in the bolting between the 2?
2. Are there any differences in the connectors (sensors, airbags, etc)
3. Are there any parts of the 2024 side airbags that are integral to the seats that would be messed up by swapping out to the 2021 seats.

Not sure a dealer will let you. I tried to talk about some swapping when I traded my 20 in for a 22 and they said no, it would mess up warranty.
You had better make sure it's ok with them before any such planning.
And here - they take possession of the trade at the same time you take the new one - you never have both at once - again, check with dealer before making big plans.

 

[Stan H]

Yeah I think one time a guy let me take my floor mats rubber aftermarket ones ..lol sounds like pipe dreams. Better just yank the leather off those seats before he goes to trade ..ehh.

 

[silvertoy]

Well, so I'm turning in a lease, not strictly trading, so if I return it with good seats, that'll be all the lease inspection company cares about. I was originally going to swap with someone on this forum, but they backed out last second and I realized it was going to be more trouble than it was probably worth. I'll have both in possession for a couple of months if I do this.

Unfortunately, the leather isn't over the seats, it replaced the cloth.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yeah, there's always some little piece of information not mentioned that makes a world of difference............

 

[Mr._Bill]

So I installed KATZKIN leather seats in my 2021 and I'm contemplating trading it in for a 2024 and wondering if I can direct swap my 2021 seats into the 2024 (unbolting and swap, not the covers., the whole seat). So yes I'm thinking of trading it in and swapping the newish katzkin seats from my '21 Jeep into the new '24 and putting the new '24 seats into the old Jeep that's getting traded.

So questions:
1. Are there any differences in the bolting between the 2?
2. Are there any differences in the connectors (sensors, airbags, etc)
3. Are there any parts of the 2024 side airbags that are integral to the seats that would be messed up by swapping out to the 2021 seats.

This is one of those mods that you will just have to do again. Due to the airbag changes for 2024, and possible wiring changes, it would not be a easy or simple swap.

You will be running into issues with the airbags and federal law. No dealer is going to want to have anything to do with either truck. You will also be voiding the seat warranty on the new truck.

There is also the potential for issues with the leasing company. Yes, the seat upgrade is better than what shipped from the factory, but you probably didn't get permission to do it. They usually want the vehicle back in the stock configuration they paid for when they approved the lease. It does depend on the leasing company and their return and inspection process, so that is an unknown in the equation.

 

[silvertoy]

So, the seats are Mopar, Jeep approved the design and it was added to my VIN, has the Katzkin/Mopar tag. It was required to get the Gladiator stitched on the seats. Not sure if that matters to the leasing company inspector.

 

[Mr._Bill]

So, the seats are Mopar, Jeep approved the design and it was added to my VIN, has the Katzkin/Mopar tag. It was required to get the Gladiator stitched on the seats. Not sure if that matters to the leasing company inspector.

Having them added to the VIN updates the factory configuration. Trying to remove them now would become a problem. That is known as a leasehold improvement. They became the property of the owner of the truck when they were installed. Attempting to remove them would be considered theft, and put you in violation of the lease agreement.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So, the seats are Mopar, Jeep approved the design and it was added to my VIN, has the Katzkin/Mopar tag. It was required to get the Gladiator stitched on the seats. Not sure if that matters to the leasing company inspector.

Once again we finally learn yet more instead of hearing this up front. Heck yes it matters. They are part of the truck, not a light bar you added later.

 

[silvertoy]

I respectfully beg to differ. I didn't pay for them as part of the lease, paid cash for them a few months ago because I thought I was going to keep the lease, Katzkin did the whole Jeep VIN approval thing. Then came the clutch recall - I no longer want to buy because they can't give an ETA or a scope on what they plan to do for the fix. I have zero interest in buying a vehicle with what I suspect is a failing clutch when the fix is going to only be a software patch that will leave me in limp mode when it gets hot.

If that's the case that the lease company would consider it theft (which I really doubt) then I'll gladly hand it in. Right now though, my dealer said that the lease company would likely charge me for the cost to now remove the leather and put cloth back on. SERIOUSLY, I was on the phone with them as they called their Chrysler Capital rep and all they could say is that it would be inspected against the original bill of sale, which was cloth .....

 

[silvertoy]

Once again we finally learn yet more instead of hearing this up front. Heck yes it matters. They are part of the truck, not a light bar you added later.

Not true, bill of sale was cloth. Katzkin was added 2 1/2 years later

 

[silvertoy]

Having them added to the VIN updates the factory configuration. Trying to remove them now would become a problem. That is known as a leasehold improvement. They became the property of the owner of the truck when they were installed. Attempting to remove them would be considered theft, and put you in violation of the lease agreement.

That was my impression of what would happen and the only risk was that I would lose the cost of the seats if I turned it in. But Chrysler Capital says they need to be cloth, as that was on the original bill of sale. And that they will charge me the cost for returning the seats to cloth if I don't do it myself.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

And now more information - the lease was based on cloth, but the leather added to the VIN after the lease was signed?

Legally speaking -
a bill of sale is used during or after the exchange of goods to transfer ownership of the goods

The vehicle was sold to the leasing company so any bill of sale would name them as the owner.
So when sold to the leasing company, they were cloth. That's what the owner cares about - that the vehicle matches the VIN and equipment as it was when they bought it from the dealership (and subsequently leased it to you)

It's up to them since they own it, no one else.

Finally, even more information.

 

[Hootbro]

That is a lot of Hokey Pokey going on over a set of leather seats. Me personally, if it was that much trouble, I would just eat it and put a new set on the gaining vehicle.

If anything, proves that a leased vehicle is never truly yours, just glorified renting by another name.

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