2025 Gladiator

[Geoarch]

I mean the whole world is moving to hybrids and then full EV and these will be the ONLY drive train available on residentual vehicles. Heck...Europe already has EV trucks for years.

And EV means fully computer/chip intergration so almost everything will be a cookie cutter design of high tech digital dashboard, plethora of cameras front/back/inside, driver awareness stuff and streamlined body to meet the "future". And electric power means LEDs everywhere (low energy consumption for the battery).

And the main reason why I bought my oil burner as in next 5 years, people will be in shock to hear a Jeep with a diesel drive train. And I'm a EV owner since last Nov and while I love my IX, its instant power delivery, high tech digital dashboard, I'm not sold on EV yet ...nor hybrids. If anything, these things will become a disposable when ya are out of battery warranty (On the IX, if battery is effed up outside warranty, it's a $20k drop for a new battery). In summer, my range is like 340 miles...in winter with full 4 passengers, trunk load and cold temps, the range quickly drops to around 280miles and if going against wind drag, its around 250 miles. Short in town commutes is where EV excels. On freeway, rev up the speed past 70mph and the battery drain is a real thing.

My brother-in-law has a towing business and they tow EV vehicles (Tesla!) a LOT in winter cos people simply over-estimated the range. Not to mention, if there's a electric short, the whole vehicle is stalled. They've towed Chevy Volt and Mercedes EV with such issues. And the kicker is these new gen tech is only serviceable at the dealer...ya can't take a EV to a local mom-n-shop repair shop.

I have the best of both worlds right now and will keep it that way (my IX for intown commutes and Costco toilet paper runs and my Glady for longer road trips/camping, etc).

We have a RAV4 Prime PHEV, and it is the best of both worlds, so I would welcome a JTR PHEV, even though I just purchased a 2024 JTR AT. I do like the new tech. I'll have a review comparing it to my former 22 JTR MT since I just took it off-road since I received it a couple weeks ago. It was built 1/28/24.

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[ZeeJay]

Hopefully they figure out some issues with it before we see it in the JT/JL. Looks like most issues being encountered now require the body to be removed off the wagoneers…. With even less space in our platform I would imagine that it wouldn’t be much different for us.

Body off….damn. Haven’t seen under the skirt of a Wagoneer so have no scale to go by. Only pictures I’ve seen of engine it’s covered in plastic what nots so can’t see what’s actually stacked on it. I’ve done that on some Super Duties and it sucks

 

[salvino]

Anybody see this video yet? I have no validity to the info but just saw the video.

Just a few thoughts on this video. While I agree the choice of engines needs to be improved. I own a 3.6 liter and with the proper gearing it’s perfectly fine. The 4xe is great around town but it seriously compromises range on the highway and offroad. So it doesn’t, “obliterate the 3.6 in every way.” I’d venture to say, much of this video is speculation on the part of the maker.

 

[Desert_Gladiator]

I can't find dimensions on the Hurricane engine block, but I'm struggling to understand how it could possibly fit in the bay of a JL/JT. Even considering the smaller bore spacing, I really see no way that the Hurricane isn't at least 4" longer than the 392's block, and that thing is pretty well stuffed in there as it is. Plus, in comparison with the 392, there'd need to space for an intercooler up front as well. If they do somehow pull that off, the packaging is going to be a nightmare for maintenance.

 

[Zachanadandy]

The 12" screen and ff rear axle was about the extent of the mid-cycle refresh on the JLs. I see 0 chance of new engine options aside from maybe the 2.0t in the 4xe line. I doubt you see a new ice engine in the JLs or JTs going forward. Stellantis has already committed to putting ICE out to pasture, why would they put any effort into a redesign in what amounts to a few model years tops? You'll see an EV wrangler and/or gladiator as the next large redesign.

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