2025 Mojave X

[Master_Cylinder]

I don’t understand why the Mojave X no longer has hydro Blue as a color choice.

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[ShadowsPapa]

I don’t understand why the Mojave X no longer has hydro Blue as a color choice.

Agreed. Why - and specifically why from that model/level........

 

[TTU03]

Speaking of 2025 Mojave X (and also because I really think I, and a couple others here, are on the same pages, just that it comes out differently) - got curious and found this -

From my sales guy minutes ago -

Vehicle is built, going through inspection, should start shipping soon. I'll let you know when I have more information.

I have not followed all the messages/threads. Is the new mojave getting the snow plow? Are you having to strip down your current JT back to stock? Assuming you are training/selling current JT. Damn a new Mojave would be awsome.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I have not followed all the messages/threads. Is the new mojave getting the snow plow? Are you having to strip down your current JT back to stock? Assuming you are training/selling current JT. Damn a new Mojave would be awsome.

Yes. I'm hoping it stands the same height as the 2024 did I looked at last year because that one was the same frame-to-ground measurement as my Overland with slight lift - just right for the plow.
Any higher and it would be a problem, the angle on the plow would be wrong.

Yes, I now have about 2 weeks, give or take, to completely strip this Overland down for trade - remove all of the snow plow wiring and hardware, remove the steel bumper and winch and put the plastic bumper and air dam back, remove my 12v accessories from the bed, Oracle backup lights and other stuff.

And the weather here sucks lately and it's nasty for the next few days - off and on rain, extreme winds hitting 50 mph or so, and a car in my shop that needs a fuel pump and a lot of fuel line making and adapting for the new performance pump.

Back to the crazies!

 

[trekkar]

My sales guy and I have gone back and forth on FWP and other numbers - when FCA cut the prices for the 2025s compared to the 24s, it came right off the top of the dealer's take. The factory still charges them the same price. It's hurting dealers but they are hoping to make it up in volume, and they aren't stocking squat for Gladiators or Wranglers on the lots other than the lower cost models. They can't afford to.
According to "Jeep's web site" there are only 62 2025 Gladiators within 100 miles - that's a circle 200 miles across, and encompasses a number of dealers.
He got a bit more up-front when I showed him the numbers I had, including FWP and so on......... he knew there was no more hiding it. But I noticed he had us sit well out of ear-shot of any of the other sales guys there, including his boss. Hmmm.......

What's FWP? So is the 2025 invoice price 5k closer to the MSRP price? whats the invoice price and msrp of the one you ordered?

I'm under the impression there is MSRP then invoice then maybe a real invoice. Then the dealer also has a holdback value maybe it's 1k-2k.

 

[Hootbro]

What's FWP?

"Factory Wholesale Price". Just another word(s) for dealer invoice pricing.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I did another dive into Jeep build and price and current incentives.
When we made the deal, it was going to be the affiliate 1% under FWP then take away the 4K Jeep "incentive" Jeep offered in March.
As long as it was a sold order, they could lock in that 4K - but he said "if something better comes along in the meantime, we go with that instead."

Something better did come along. IF it is all said and done by the end of April......

That 4K expired at the end of March - it's now 7K if you take delivery before the end of April.

So it looks like 1% under FWP minus the 7K new incentive (of course plus all the stuff I'm having added, fees, tax, license and so on)

Jeep really smacked the dealers - the MSRP did go down from 2024 levels, but the FWP didn't. There's not a lot of difference right now. But for me, in the end, it's about 10K off MSRP.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

This is without the affiliate pricing - still good enough for me, the other is just a tiny bit of icing on the cake.
If I looked only at this - it's still a bit under what my 2022 was back then.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The Jeep site now says expected delivery April 12th.
I talked to the sales guy, Scott, (I was at the Menards right across the street and at Iowa Ear Center for hearing aid repairs anyway) and he said they just got in a load of new Wranglers - and the driver told him that as soon as he got back, he was told he had another load to bring this direction. So it could be middle to end of next week from all indications.
Scott said it's all done and in the staging area for shipping, just waiting for a truck.

I hope I have enough parts now to get that car running - bought a ton of fittings and lines and such to make sure I had all I need to make it work - can always take stuff back later.

 

[TTU03]

Yes. I'm hoping it stands the same height as the 2024 did I looked at last year because that one was the same frame-to-ground measurement as my Overland with slight lift - just right for the plow.
Any higher and it would be a problem, the angle on the plow would be wrong.

Yes, I now have about 2 weeks, give or take, to completely strip this Overland down for trade - remove all of the snow plow wiring and hardware, remove the steel bumper and winch and put the plastic bumper and air dam back, remove my 12v accessories from the bed, Oracle backup lights and other stuff.

And the weather here sucks lately and it's nasty for the next few days - off and on rain, extreme winds hitting 50 mph or so, and a car in my shop that needs a fuel pump and a lot of fuel line making and adapting for the new performance pump.

Back to the crazies!

What are you looking at for the trade in amount?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Javelin is finally running again - after a ton of figuring how to make the new pump fitting not hit the block or the lower rad hose. Basically had to totally re-plumb the thing.
But it now starts and runs and can be moved out of my shop!
Still have a ton of things to put away, clean up and so on.

Now to get my 2022 JT stripped down for trading in.
ETA of the 25 is the 14th - it will likely be a day or two after that before I can pick it up - but then, maybe not. So I figure I have roughly a week to get this one ready, bumpers swapped, winch removed, plow wiring removed and more.

Odd - the window sticker doesn't show the SelecTrac, but the build sheet does.

The window sticker of no new 25 shows a SelecTrac, and yet they have it. So apparently it's built into the X package and not listed individually anywhere.

Also odd is that the build sheet site that we as customers use won't work with the 2025 VIN, but the window sticker site works.

 

[Mr Miami]

It’s a cost of doing business they have to pass on somehow. They can bury it somewhere else if you’d prefer, but that will just upset someone else paying attention to that other line it passes to.

What they do about the pay for those people when nothing is being sold is they try to absorb it with sales business and add ons (document fees) for them doing something. Just like when the service department is slow and techs are sitting around. The business and the techs are not making as much as if they were doing jobs with billable hours.

There is certainly a "cost of business" selling cars or any other business for that matter. But the frustration many people have is the manner in which pricing is presented to potential buyers. Is there overhead involved at a car dealership? Of course. But burying the cost in some other inflated prices is simply the wrong way to do business. When I buy a lawnmower at Home Depot, I see the price and realize there will be sales tax added (which I can clearly calculate) and that is it. I just had a new roof put on my house. I wasn't quoted a price then find out in the contract that it doesn't include obtaining the required permits, use of their trucks, cost of removing the old roof, the tipping fee to dump the old roof, insurance, etc. If it rains, the roofers don't work. Is that my problem? I assume as a reputable business that they are building contingencies into their quoted price.

You make it sound like we should have pity for dealerships since everyone is not billable and there may be slow times at the dealership. It is unfortunately true that many Jeep dealers (and many others) fall into the realm of vultures when you walk into the showroom. I must admit that it may be the exception but my wife bought a BMW two years ago and the buying experience was about as pleasurable as one could expect when purchasing a car. Yes, they offered to sell some sort of body protection plan for dents and stuff to which I said no and that was it. He said I just have to add the tax and tags. We agreed on a price and off I went to the finance department. Again, more stuff was offered but having had two BMW's before, maintenance is expensive. I had checked the price on extended warranties (both BMW and third-party) and knocked about a thousand off the price (2,500 vs. 3,500) for two additional years of warranty and a maintenance plan.

I was very comfortable with the purchase. No high pressure, nothing hidden. Everything explained. No playing a shell game. If only my experiences with Jeep were so pleasant.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

There is certainly a "cost of business" selling cars or any other business for that matter. But the frustration many people have is the manner in which pricing is presented to potential buyers. Is there overhead involved at a car dealership? Of course. But burying the cost in some other inflated prices is simply the wrong way to do business. When I buy a lawnmower at Home Depot, I see the price and realize there will be sales tax added (which I can clearly calculate) and that is it. I just had a new roof put on my house. I wasn't quoted a price then find out in the contract that it doesn't include obtaining the required permits, use of their trucks, cost of removing the old roof, the tipping fee to dump the old roof, insurance, etc. If it rains, the roofers don't work. Is that my problem? I assume as a reputable business that they are building contingencies into their quoted price.

You make it sound like we should have pity for dealerships since everyone is not billable and there may be slow times at the dealership. It is unfortunately true that many Jeep dealers (and many others) fall into the realm of vultures when you walk into the showroom. I must admit that it may be the exception but my wife bought a BMW two years ago and the buying experience was about as pleasurable as one could expect when purchasing a car. Yes, they offered to sell some sort of body protection plan for dents and stuff to which I said no and that was it. He said I just have to add the tax and tags. We agreed on a price and off I went to the finance department. Again, more stuff was offered but having had two BMW's before, maintenance is expensive. I had checked the price on extended warranties (both BMW and third-party) and knocked about a thousand off the price (2,500 vs. 3,500) for two additional years of warranty and a maintenance plan.

I was very comfortable with the purchase. No high pressure, nothing hidden. Everything explained. No playing a shell game. If only my experiences with Jeep were so pleasant.

Many dealerships don't even "own" the building - it's leased from another corporation. All related, but it's a hell of an overhead. I talked with my sales guy a couple of days ago about all of the stuff that goes on in the background, all of the expenses most people aren't aware of at any level.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

There is certainly a "cost of business" selling cars or any other business for that matter. But the frustration many people have is the manner in which pricing is presented to potential buyers. Is there overhead involved at a car dealership? Of course. But burying the cost in some other inflated prices is simply the wrong way to do business. When I buy a lawnmower at Home Depot, I see the price and realize there will be sales tax added (which I can clearly calculate) and that is it. I just had a new roof put on my house. I wasn't quoted a price then find out in the contract that it doesn't include obtaining the required permits, use of their trucks, cost of removing the old roof, the tipping fee to dump the old roof, insurance, etc. If it rains, the roofers don't work. Is that my problem? I assume as a reputable business that they are building contingencies into their quoted price.

You make it sound like we should have pity for dealerships since everyone is not billable and there may be slow times at the dealership. It is unfortunately true that many Jeep dealers (and many others) fall into the realm of vultures when you walk into the showroom. I must admit that it may be the exception but my wife bought a BMW two years ago and the buying experience was about as pleasurable as one could expect when purchasing a car. Yes, they offered to sell some sort of body protection plan for dents and stuff to which I said no and that was it. He said I just have to add the tax and tags. We agreed on a price and off I went to the finance department. Again, more stuff was offered but having had two BMW's before, maintenance is expensive. I had checked the price on extended warranties (both BMW and third-party) and knocked about a thousand off the price (2,500 vs. 3,500) for two additional years of warranty and a maintenance plan.

I was very comfortable with the purchase. No high pressure, nothing hidden. Everything explained. No playing a shell game. If only my experiences with Jeep were so pleasant.

I like simple pricing too. I don’t shop at Kohl’s because everything is on sale 30% off plus an additional 10% off plus you get $10 Kohl’s cash or whatever.

Or even worse, how about a closing statement for real estate. Many line items and some larger dollar amounts.

If a dealer wants to add a document fee or some other random administrative fee on a sale, I’m ok with it as long as it’s cheap and I’m buying at a discounted price.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Talked to Scott today, my sales guy. He said that the JT left Toledo at 12pm on Saturday the 5th, and Jeep had it put down as having been delivered on Sunday the 6th!

Man, that guy must drive like Hugh Rowland or something.

So Monday, Scott made some calls and found out that it was 100 miles from the Iowa border and the guy had a couple of other stops to make. THAT is more like it, more reasonable for the time they can drive vs. mandatory off-time and so on. Give the guy time to sleep, at least.

Then at about 4 today, I get a text message (and later a phone call)

Scott was aware of my concern, even though he dug and found a build sheet and then today I got confirmation directly from a build sheet......... Scott said that all of the factory information, order guides, every piece of documentation he could find had no mention of SelecTrac....... it must simply be an integrated part of the X package and they stopped listing it anywhere.

He told their shop guys to run it around back to the prep area and place a big SOLD sign in the windshield as he figured the other sales guys would be jumping all over it.

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