Bronco is fullsize - no comparison

[Jt-wrx]

mirror to mirror width is 9.2" wider on bronco, the track and body are 2.1"...

my last ram 1500 full size was 5.6" wider on the body than wrangler and it's only 3.5" wider than this porky new ford

the wrangler already pushing the size envelope for jeeps...the bronco crossed the line and is a bloated pork chop, go look at one and you'll see

and whatever else was said about all the fender widths etc.

i know my jeep gladiator is only 1' foot shorter than my ram 1500 but it's 2' foot 2.5" narrower at the mirrors (yes that's 26.5"!) and 5.6" narrower at the body....it is a staggering difference in parking fit, tight laneways or trails or even in the garage

as i said before, the bronco is going to fit far more like a full size than a mid size, regardless of it's marketing, it's going to park, skinny lane or trail, garage fit....like a porky ole half ton, period

they can compare it to a suzuki samurai for all i care, it's going to fit like a 60's caddy lol, it's not actual comparison to a real jeep, too big, and IFS no no

but i guess that may leave the door open for a bronco II perhaps, if they really want to attack the wrangler properly they should undercut it's size somewhat and get that solid front axle in there, keep that 2.3 turbo with the manual trans...those are the only good parts to keep so far

look, if we can't have a little fun bashing fords on a jeep forum then what's the point?

can't wait to see the pics of jeeps pulling them out

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[ShadowsPapa]

look, if we can't have a little fun bashing fords on a jeep forum then what's the point?

can't wait to see the pics of jeeps pulling them out

And on the Bronco forums they are saying:

>quote< look, if we can't have a little fun bashing Jeeps on a Ford forum then what's the point?

can't wait to see the pics of Broncos pulling them out >/quote<

 

[bleda2002]

Found it, the wrangler body is ~65 inches wide at the widest point in the rear. Track width 64.4 to 67 add in the same tires and you gain an inch (track width is the center of the tires) to 65.5 to 67. There is no way the bronco shrinks 12 inches from 79 to 67 inches considering the jeep fenders are at least as wide and it shrinks 8.

 

[Deleted member 28696]

Might be a good vehicle, but I’ve read that their tops were falling apart so there are some quality issues. It has no toughness factor at all in comparison to the Jeep Gladiator. I’m not sure you could modify it like you can the Jeep to make it look tough, it’s super rounded. It’s a fail for me just based on the looks & it’s an SUV not a truck. There’s something for everyone I suppose.

 

[sharpsicle]

I find it very telling that we are at the point where we have to debate what part of the vehicle actually "counts" to make a case. This is akin to data dredging, where you're finding the values that you want to support whatever argument you've chosen. Very misleading and generally poor practice. Provides no value other than helping you sleep at night.

You can't redefine words just to bolster your opinion. That's exactly what's happened here. Now we're all getting sucked down the black hole of "you can't compare this to that because design choices". That's B.S.

Wrangler is a mid-size SUV geared towards off-roading. Bronco is a mid-size SUV geared towards off-roading. Their sizes are nearly identical. Their use cases and marketing are nearly identical. Their target consumer is nearly identical. To claim one can't compete with the other is asinine.

 

[MPMB]

Size of the vehicle is irrelevant.

What matters is the wheelbase, track width, and turning radius (more technically, steering geometry).

 

[Jt-wrx]

i'm telling you my first impression walking up to the bronco, i had no preconceived notions of any kind, another vehicle with a manual transmission is a bonus to me...so back to the walk around, after stepping out of my lifted JT 6-spd on 37's...i couldn't get over how wide it was, it reminded me of full size width, period, it did not feel in the same size class at all due to that, anyway the one i looked at had the manual transmission...thumbs up for that, i could care less if it doesn't have a truck box it's useless to me anyway, what makes a truck guy more interested in more competition is that they put a manual transmission behind the 2.3 in this thing but not the ranger which is true mid-size matchup for the gladiator? mid-size segment could have 3 options with manual transmissions (gladiator/tacoma/ranger) seems odd...put that 7-spd in the Ranger and possibilities open up for those who need a box and love the manual and simple stout vehicles

agree with others here, flash in the pan, ala FJ, and the jeep will still be going long after this flame fizzles out

there are fundamental things you have to get right to compete against the jeep, size and solid front axle and basic models are a must, the aftermarket for the bronco will never come close to the jeep, jeeps are legacy vehicles because they get those fundamentals correct, the little subjective crap some of the spoiled folks here seem to be looking for will go buy those more subjectively fluffy vehicles, choice is good, but again...ford will sell...it is not competition for the jeep wrangler, period

 

[TrailHiker]

Jeep Wrangler or Bronco and the new Land Rover, are all SUVs. Once Jeep started making the Wrangler, and enlarged it past the CJs, it wasn’t a pure Jeep any more. The last real jeeps were the CJs, once they got larger than the original form factor, they became SUVs, that looked like a Jeep. So today’s market is for SUVs, not Jeeps, in the original sense — which was a minimalist utility, off road vehicle with a four cylinder engine, that was very tough, and could go all day on 10 gallons of gas. I doubt a true CJ2/3 Jeep would sell very well in today’s bigger is better market.

The Gladiator is a mid size truck, with a Jeep like front end. Still better than most, if not all the mid size trucks currently in the market. The Bronco is not a truck, so not comparable to a Gladiator.
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[sharpsicle]

there are fundamental things you have to get right to compete against the jeep, size and solid front axle and basic models are a must, the aftermarket for the bronco will never come close to the jeep, jeeps are legacy vehicles because they get those fundamentals correct, the little subjective crap some of the spoiled folks here seem to be looking for will go buy those more subjectively fluffy vehicles, choice is good, but again...ford will sell...it is not competition for the jeep wrangler, period

None of that is true. It might be for you personally, but that's called "personal preference". It competes. And competes very well at that. You can't take design options and preach them as almighty requirements. They aren't. The Bronco just does it different. That's what makes it a competitor. Period.

 

[tumbes2000]

Ford did a good job with the bronco and if I was looking for an off road SUV then I would definitely look at it. In terms of sales I don't think gladiator will be affected since I am assuming that other gladiator owners are like me and need a truck. The gladiator is the only midsize truck that looks good from the lot. The rest require a fair amount of work not to look like crap. The one exception is the zr2 but the interior is a sea of cheap plastic.

 

[Jt-wrx]

None of that is true. It might be for you personally, but that's called "personal preference". It competes. And competes very well at that. You can't take design options and preach them as almighty requirements. They aren't. The Bronco just does it different. That's what makes it a competitor. Period.

none of what you said is true, it only has similar features, when something comes along that can kick it's ass then the wrangler will actually have some competition, but it will need the fundamentals in place to begin with, as it is just trying to compete is never going to be enough to dethrone the jeep and ford fails again, it's just an oversize fluffy pretender catering only to the rest of the half ton and luxury suv market people and the soft-road poser 4-runner overlander peeps haha

the only thing the bronco will compete with is a 4-runner, in that regard i'd choose the bronco in a heartbeat, well that is if the jeep wrangler didn't exist...jeep is the correct answer of the 3 mentioned there, i need a truck box so there is no debate for me, i'd make that ranger go more places than that bronco, even though i'd much prefer the manual from the bronco, but the bronco is not a mid-size and it's no competition for the jeep wrangler

 

[LostWoods]

The denial and insecurity in this thread is palpable.

You know how I know the Bronco is competition? Because Jeep people won't shut up about it.

 

[TennesseePA]

The denial and insecurity in this thread is palpable.

You know how I know the Bronco is competition? Because Jeep people won't shut up about it.

BOOOOM! I love both so I can honestly say I can’t lose here. But like I have said before if you are stuck on the solid front axle thing then you need to do more research on the new face of off road vehicles. Over on the JL forum I had a “discussion” (read that as SFA flat earth society members yelling insults at me) about this already. Almost every single modern US military vehicle has independent suspension now, front and rear. Technology has caught up and it is almost no difference off road but 9000 times better on road.
For anyone who doubts this just do some reading or better yet come to work with me at Ft Campbell and we’ll cruise a few motor pools in my solid front axle Gladiator!

 

[Challenger85]

Not even the Bronco people are this delusional and annoying about the Wrangler.

 

[Jt-wrx]

lol, go look at one of these pork chops, not even close to apples/apples comparison, apples to grapefruits maybe, the only thing i've said bad about it is that, and it's true, but the truth always has hurt hasn't it lol, i'd choose it over a 4-runner but then again, how does the 4-runner do against the jeep wrangler...swing and a big fat fluffy miss haha

i'm sure it's a fine vehicle, and the whole point of this is to show there is no point discussing it within jeep forums of any kind, the title of this thread says that....so we can all stop now, it's not a comparable vehicle, it's just a glorified honda passport, i'm just confirming the obvious, ford is marketing this thing all wrong, put it up against the honda passport and nissan pathfinders etc. haha

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