Finally geometry brackets data

[CrazyCooter]

That was me years ago. I've honed my responses accordingly to not be the biggest jackass on the forum. lol.

There's only one topic that gets my a-holeness turnt up to 11. It got me banned from the VW forum when I took a troll out to the woodshed. While I admit I don't know everything, I cannot stand people who think they do. The Dunning-Kruger Effect is real.

I remember when I was about 5yo, my grandfather gave me this great piece of advice that I didn't understand then, but it really hit me about 10 years ago. He told me "Never waste your time talking to an asshole........All you will ever get is a fart in the face".

As any forum grows, the early useful tech that built it eventually gets replaced by the "junk to fill it up". I find myself just reducing my participation since I can't change the trend.

EDIT: Looking up your suggested Dunning-Kruger theory, I can totally understand it! I was just telling my wife the other day............I think the reason I can't find qualified help at my shop is that the dumb/unqualified "hacks" apply thinking they are overqualified while the "techs" who are possibly not the experts I desire, but have the knowledge/skill set that could be easily polished in a short time don't apply because they don't think are good enough to get the job?

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[CrazyCooter]

If you really think about what Dr Deathwobble did in his video, some might be able to understand the hypocrisy regarding most of this debate?

HE WAS ABLE TO INSTALL ONE SIDE AT A TIME! IF the brackets really made that big of a difference in caster as most have stated, the control arm bolts wouldn't line up on the right with the left side control arms still hooked up?

Yes I know most have 3 sets of upper holes that claim to possibly make caster changes, but I have never verified this since I use the arms to adjust caster and the brackets for anti dive.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If you really think about what Dr Deathwobble did in his video, some might be able to understand the hypocrisy regarding most of this debate?

HE WAS ABLE TO INSTALL ONE SIDE AT A TIME! IF the brackets really made that big of a difference in caster as most have stated, the control arm bolts wouldn't line up on the right with the left side control arms still hooked up?

Yes I know most have 3 sets of upper holes that claim to possibly make caster changes, but I have never verified this since I use the arms to adjust caster and the brackets for anti dive.

I swapped my LCAs one side at a time. Easy to shove the axle around with a strap, the bushings flexed and gave enough.

 

[Dougstdig]

I swapped my LCAs one side at a time. Easy to shove the axle around with a strap, the bushings flexed and gave enough.

I do remember having fun getting the front axle on my XJ to line up. The strap technique worked like a charm though. This was my first attempt at doing an install though. Before that, I had 20 years experience at tearing things apart. May have been part of the source of dads male pattern baldness ?

 

[Rusty PW]

If you really think about what Dr Deathwobble did in his video, some might be able to understand the hypocrisy regarding most of this debate?

HE WAS ABLE TO INSTALL ONE SIDE AT A TIME! IF the brackets really made that big of a difference in caster as most have stated, the control arm bolts wouldn't line up on the right with the left side control arms still hooked up?

Yes I know most have 3 sets of upper holes that claim to possibly make caster changes, but I have never verified this since I use the arms to adjust caster and the brackets for anti dive.

Years ago when I worked for Elliott Tubro Machinery. We opened up a new shop in East Chicago. The hiring process was a nightmare. People that could read and write, couldn't pass the drug test. The one's that passed the drug test, couldn't read and write. We were hiring machinists and welders.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Years ago when I worked for Elliott Tubro Machinery. We opened up a new shop in East Chicago. The hiring process was a nightmare. People that could read and write, couldn't pass the drug test. The one's that passed the drug test, couldn't read and write. We were hiring machinists and welders.

Back a couple of decades ago I was one of 70 some IT people that PFG "let go". They hired like crazy for the Y2K thing, kept people around for a while, and then decided we were making too much and they were over-staffed.
(a hoot because a week later I saw ads for headhunters hiring people - and I knew exactly where they were hiring for0
Anyway, there I was, out of work for the first time when it wasn't my choice. Over-qualified for almost anything and they told me so time after time.
I went to John Deere, Firestone and any place I could think of, any type of work.
I was called in for testing at Firestone - about 3 pages of paper with written questions like add 1/2" plus .125" or "what is the reading on this tape measure" and they showed an image of a tape measure with points on it marked, or maybe "a shaft has a tolerance spec of xxx and a tolerance of yyy and it measures zzzz, is it in specs, and images of micrometers you were supposed to read, etc. A lot of it was actually Jr. High math stuff, adding fractions, decimals or combinations, subtraction of a fraction from a decimal number.
There were about 40 of us around that table.
I found I aced the test but out of the 40 only 18 got so much as a 70% on it.
Are you kidding me? 40 people and not even half could pass a simple math test?
Well, didn't matter - I was over-qualified and they figured I'd not stick around. Same from JD, Helena and others.
It was just shocking to me how few could deal with ordinary math. Ok, it was obvious some of them couldn't handle the 1 or 2 micrometer questions - that's expected, but adding fractions or reading a tape measure?

 

[Rusty PW]

Back a couple of decades ago I was one of 70 some IT people that PFG "let go". They hired like crazy for the Y2K thing, kept people around for a while, and then decided we were making too much and they were over-staffed.
(a hoot because a week later I saw ads for headhunters hiring people - and I knew exactly where they were hiring for0
Anyway, there I was, out of work for the first time when it wasn't my choice. Over-qualified for almost anything and they told me so time after time.
I went to John Deere, Firestone and any place I could think of, any type of work.
I was called in for testing at Firestone - about 3 pages of paper with written questions like add 1/2" plus .125" or "what is the reading on this tape measure" and they showed an image of a tape measure with points on it marked, or maybe "a shaft has a tolerance spec of xxx and a tolerance of yyy and it measures zzzz, is it in specs, and images of micrometers you were supposed to read, etc. A lot of it was actually Jr. High math stuff, adding fractions, decimals or combinations, subtraction of a fraction from a decimal number.
There were about 40 of us around that table.
I found I aced the test but out of the 40 only 18 got so much as a 70% on it.
Are you kidding me? 40 people and not even half could pass a simple math test?
Well, didn't matter - I was over-qualified and they figured I'd not stick around. Same from JD, Helena and others.
It was just shocking to me how few could deal with ordinary math. Ok, it was obvious some of them couldn't handle the 1 or 2 micrometer questions - that's expected, but adding fractions or reading a tape measure?

I have worked with people who couldn't read a tape measure. And their job required it. Remember one guy saying 14ft 6 inches and 9 small lines. Meaning 9/16".

 

[CrazyCooter]

I have worked with people who couldn't read a tape measure. And their job required it. Remember one guy saying 14ft 6 inches and 9 small lines. Meaning 9/16".

My buddy says that kind of tape measure reading is common in the laborers union. I learned that shit in 2nd grade along with the metric system? People want big money without skills to help justify/cover the pay.

The rumors I have heard from those in the union......They know how many lines because they start the work day snorting them.

 

[Rusty PW]

This video popped up in my youtube feed.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

This video popped up in my youtube feed.

That's odd, it popped up here, too.........

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...metry-brackets-data.74678/page-8#post-1222120

 

[Rusty PW]

That's odd, it popped up here, too.........

https://www.jeepgladiatorforum.com/...metry-brackets-data.74678/page-8#post-1222120

I now have about a dozen geo brackets video's on my feed.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I now have about a dozen geo brackets video's on my feed.

Get busy- the night is still young...........

 

[CrazyCooter]

Take in as much data as possible!

 

[Rusty PW]

Get busy- the night is still young...........

It's cheesy movie night on netflix.............

 

[MojaveDan]

Ok, I got my AEV 2 inch lift kit with the longer Mopar control arms. I am not arguing that level lower control arms are not the best format to be in for ride, but I am going to install without the brackets and see if I notice a real difference from stock. Its just 2 inches so my hope is that there is not much difference because I'm cheap and dont want to spend another 300 bucks if I don't have to, but I also don't want to impede the ride to much on an expensive vehicle. I will try to be as impartial as I can be. Subjective, seat of the pants results to follow

Hey what is your thoughts on using the Mopar control arm vs buying the geometry correction kit? I'm considering doing the same thing. Any insight would be appreciated.

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