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So this took me a bit to bring myself to post. It was a bit raw for a while. Some of you have been so kind to let me talk it out and vent. Thanks very much to, in no particular order, @Stan H, @Shibbyjeep, @ChrisNLA, @RudeJeepin, @Mightytalldude, @JCappy, and a couple non forum peeps, for taking the time to talk me off the ledge, so to speak. Your support means a ton, and it won’t be forgotten.

So almost a month ago I rolled down to AZ on an invite to do some wheeling. The way I took the invite, it was a vendor customer appreciation run, but no vendor shows, no big deal. Just wheeling and shooting the breeze after. Maybe I missed something, but I had no idea I’d find an event with well over 100 vehicles. I probably wouldn’t have gone, but I was 12 hours from home in a hotel, so screw it. Let’s have some fun. I usually prefer much smaller, no pressure, lower testosterone groups. But oh well. I was still excited to do some rock crawling. I obviously love that stuff.

Friday was super chill. Moderate trail that was just fun. Don’t get me wrong, I’m fine with really tough trails.

Saturday started off great. Did a tough-ish trail that I thoroughly enjoyed. Lots of very impressive rigs. The trail went quickly, so some locals discussed and came up with another trail to run for the second half of the day. No one knew much about the trail, as it was very new. It was crazy difficult, but no regrets in regards to difficulty. I’d legitimately rate it an 11. But that didn’t change how fun it was. I want to stress that the day wasn’t rough because of a rough trail. It went poorly because there were a handful of people there that I could have done without.

I was the smallest rig in the group of roughly 10 vehicles, but wasn’t having trouble keeping up. All the obstacles were hard enough that even the largest rigs had to go slowly. Meaning no one was waiting on little ole me. At some point one jeep had serous front end breakage. Enough that required disassembly, parts, welding, and reassembly. All part of the fun in my opinion. But it obviously took time, and by the time it was moving under its own power, it was sunset.

After that the trail got harder. I’m definitely not documenting every event. It would be a lot. Still no regrets, for a minute…. I was last in the group, but not for any particular reason. Just how we started out. People were getting punchy. I certainly needed to winch and stack rocks a couple times by this point. Winching to me is perfectly fine. Fun even. But others found it less favorable. I heard one time, no more stacking rocks. Just hook up and drag it up! I was not a fan. I like using our brains to figure out the best way to tackle an obstacle. Soon after that, I was on an obstacle that ripped my rear driver fender off, and marred the crap out of my bed. I was repositioning to avoid losing the tail light as well, when I was yelled at by a stranger. The jist was that I should not reposition. I explained that I was trying to avoid further damage, and had some ideas to avoid it, specifically I was going to grab my rear winch to move my rear end out of harms way. I was told straight up, that if I did that, I’d be left out there, all night, alone. Yes. It was described in that detail. They wanted to get to the bar. They couldn’t have cared less about getting vehicles through as carefully as possible. It was extremely disappointing. At one point a little earlier than this, I was told that everyone was waiting on me. That’s complete bull. It was a long day, due to time consuming repairs earlier, none of which were on my Jeep. I was the scapegoat because of my tiny 37’s. Admittedly I lost two beads on this trail, and my co2, and another bottle later successfully rebeaded the tires. So sure, that took a minute. But on a tough trail, that’s just part of the game in my opinion. Things happen and you adjust. This was not that day. I asked one guy yelling at me what I had done to piss home off. I said I was under the impression that this was supposed to be a just a fun day of wheeling. His response was, “I’m not that guy”. So weird. Just not a cool person in my opinion. Too much of a hothead.

Fast forward to much later after the last major obstacle. The vehicles in front of me hit 4hi and were gone. No radio information about the way out. I attempted to find my way, and I certainly have ample offroad lighting. But it was a maze. Finally I tried the radio and found that most everyone was off the trail. After an hour or so was able to find the way out. I must give credit to the few jeeps that came back in for me, and two others separate from me. But if we’d have stayed together earlier, it would never have happened.

I feel like I’m rambling, but I’m doing my best to describe the day, without calling anyone specifically out. I don’t find that to be productive. But it’s hard not to, even weeks later. I maintain to this day that the trail sucked because of the attitudes of 4 or 5 people. But it was so severe that it’s left a mark.

The end result is a trashed driver bedside, trashed fender, and the worst is the passenger side. The rock slide steps with the armor weren’t up to the task. After 5 years of tough-ass trails, it was enough. A single impact crushed the step and pushed all three sections of the rocket panel in about 2 inches. Thankfully the doors still function. So it’s going to be a while before it’s trail worthy again. Lots of panels need to be cut out and replacements welded in. I don’t have that skill, so it’s off to a body shop. They’re estimating 2 months until it’s done. I must say, it’s impressive that the steps still operate. It took some replacement rivets to make sure the armor didn’t fall of on the interstate, but they still open and close. I had fender clips with me, so was able to drive home without highway rocks hitting the bed above and behind. But it’s broken in like three places. Lots of washers to get it reattached for the drive


I might have left it if it was just the bedside. But every time I see the damage I remember the people on that trail. I’m done wheeling with large groups. If I ever hit something like EJS, it’ll be for the vendor shows only. My style is slow and steady, with the goal of no damage, or as little as possible. I’m done with measuring egos in large groups of randoms.

Sorry for the long story. I needed to finally put it out there. Life is a learning experience. I learned plenty on that day.

The WILDHOBO will return. Bigger, faster, stronger. Ok. Not faster. That’s ridiculous. :)

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Yeah big groups are no bueno for me either. In the past a few of us ran with bigger groups from forums like this to weed out certain egos and then made our own running group offline. The trail is going to take as long as it takes and everyone gets out together. That small group we put together went out for a weekend and ran about 7-8 trails. We were only able to finish 2. We were hitting 3-4’ ledges all kinds of crazy stuff. Had to change an axle shaft on an XJ and had a rear differential go kaplooey. Having said that all 7 vehicles that went in together went out together. Even dropped the diff dead rig off at base camp and he rode with someone else. That not finding your way out is why I run a Garmin and always have. Mark the air down as a saved point and Garmin will get you back to it or show you what road it’s off of and you can navigate to the road. I never have and never will leave a rig on the trail. Anyone who is willing to won’t be wheeling with me.
 
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Yeah big groups are no bueno for me either. In the past a few of us ran with bigger groups from forums like this to weed out certain egos and then made our own running group offline. The trail is going to take as long as it takes and everyone gets out together. That small group we put together went out for a weekend and ran about 7-8 trails. We were only able to finish 2. We were hitting 3-4’ ledges all kinds of crazy stuff. Had to change an axle shaft on an XJ and had a rear differential go kaplooey. Having said that all 7 vehicles that went in together went out together. Even dropped the diff dead rig off at base camp and he rode with someone else. That not finding your way out is why I run a Garmin and always have. Mark the air down as a saved point and Garmin will get you back to it or show you what road it’s off of and you can navigate to the road. I never have and never will leave a rig on the trail. Anyone who is willing to won’t be wheeling with me.
That was always my perspective. This felt so foreign. It was really a terrible day. I was nothing but courteous and kind to everyone there. I never expect thanks for being a decent human. But I certainly don’t expect negative comments about my POS Jeep, and how somehow people were waiting for me? BS. They drank too much beer on the trail and lost their stuff.
 

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You’re a better man than me. I think my NCO woulda been hangin out fairly quick if I were in that situation. Knife hands for everybody. :devil:
I’m no better than anyone. I was seeing red. How I handled it was better than they deserved. Again, in my opinion. They were drinking and looking for a fight. Screw that noise.
 
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That’s awful. What a nightmare scenario and I’m sure you’re paying a substantial amount of money out of pocket for repairs. I’m sorry man. I’d be fighting someone if they did that to me.
Appreciate it. I filed my first car insurance claim since 2001. Thankfully it’s approved and not totaled, as I intend to keep it forever. And I was so close. I didn’t know I had that mouth self control.
 

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Appreciate it. I filed my first car insurance claim since 2001. Thankfully it’s approved and not totaled, as I intend to keep it forever.
That’s great. I’ve never been clear on if off-road damage is covered. I’m glad it is!

But still. Fuck those guys. That’s complete BS. I don’t care how badly I wanted a beer, I couldn’t do that to someone.
 

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That group sucked. If they are on the forum. Call them out. I've been in a few groups like that, and it's no fun. First rule, no alcohol until back at camp. Seen 2 guys go at it over something stupid fueled by beer.
 

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That’s great. I’ve never been clear on if off-road damage is covered. I’m glad it is!

But still. Fuck those guys. That’s complete BS. I don’t care how badly I wanted a beer, I couldn’t do that to someone.
Depends on the insurance company. 2 friends had their engines replaced because of hydro locking them in a deep puddle. One got a long block, the other got a short block.
 

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That’s great. I’ve never been clear on if off-road damage is covered. I’m glad it is!

But still. Fuck those guys. That’s complete BS. I don’t care how badly I wanted a beer, I couldn’t do that to someone.
It was just dumb. Thanks. I’m by no means perfect. I’m about as far from it as it gets. But this was a new level of douchebagery.
 
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That group sucked. If they are on the forum. Call them out. I've been in a few groups like that, and it's no fun. First rule, no alcohol until back at camp. Seen 2 guys go at it over something stupid fueled by beer.
Not on the forum. But well known in the industry. Not worth it.
 

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You don't leave a guy out in the wilderness like that, period. That's just common trail courtesy not to mention being a decent member of civil society. I've seen it in large groups of other car enthusiasts, too.

Sorry you have to take the truck out of commission. That blows.
 
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Depends on the insurance company. 2 friends had their engines replaced because of hydro locking them in a deep puddle. One got a long block, the other got a short block.
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Good Story - Good Info and reminder - and its unfortunate - this seems to happen in all aspects of life - you were the stranger in the group - the core of the group had their own plans the whole time and kept to themselves - If you invite someone to try something, you the experienced person are responsible for em, in terms of making sure they are having fun and enjoying themselves just like anyone else. - More annoying in a formation line, normally, the most experienced should be in the back to ensure everyone gets to destination.....etc. That's the responsibility.

But Ill divest into that's the difference between a leader and a boss. Who has respect and knowledge - and who demands fealty....etc. Just look at Wolves - the Leader is in the back so they can watch their pack and ensure no one is left behind and bring up the rear....etc.

Thank you for sharing Hobo - accountability is good, it allows ppl to learn and grow and have "change" sprout and grow to be better.
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