Ford F150 Lightning reveal light a fire under Gladiator 4xe

[jfreeham]

It will be fun to read these posts in a few years. Why? Because electric vehicles are the future and, because of the rapid peace at which the technology is advancing, the future will soon be upon us. Yes, your children and grandchildren will read your arguments against said vehicles and laugh.

Sponsored

 

[LaterGator]

There is a reason that Ford doesn't release the range when fully loaded or towing. Because it is 50% or less than the unloaded truck. And when it takes hours to recharge versus 10 minutes to refuel, you aren't going to find too many commercial takers. Time is money.

And if the electrity at your house is out for more than a few hours, using your F150 to power your house is going to leave you powerless and stranded when it runs out of power. A natgas or propane powered generator is a better solution. And it can recharge your F150.

And I agree it will be fun to look back in a couple of years and see who was right about the practically of EV technology. EV technology has been the wave of the future for over 100 years.

 

[jpjpjp]

There are electric commercial lawn mowers by Ariens that cost as much as the F-150 electric truck. They have extra batteries that one can swap out. I'm guessing they aren't a big seller, though. The reduced maintenance for an electric mower like an electric vehicle will be a huge benefit. I'm not sure about long-haul fleets, but metro-fleets, particularly those with an am and pm shift, might look to swapping out batteries. I own multiple gas vehicles and I only fuel each of them up maybe once a week if not closer to 10-14 days. If I need something else that's bigger for a longer trip, I rent it. If I had an electric vehicle that I plugged in every night, I would be all set. Long-haul vehicles might be ICE or hydrogen powered, but local commute type vehicles are an easy sell for electric. I'd be in it as much for the extra power as the mileage and the vast majority of my trips would be under 20 miles. Tough to pay $50K for a Gladiator, though, when I could get a F-150 electric for considerably less and not worry about twice as much stuff breaking. Put a gladiator package together like this ford electric f-150 and I'd sign up to buy one tomorrow.

 

[Squelch]

There is a reason that Ford doesn't release the range when fully loaded or towing. Because it is 50% or less than the unloaded truck. And when it takes hours to recharge versus 10 minutes to refuel, you aren't going to find too many commercial takers. Time is money.

Ok, the quoted range is 300 miles, and you think it'll be 150 miles when fully loaded or towing. And "Time is money." How many contractors or commercial workers are driving more than 75 miles in one direction? After all, that's at least 60 minutes one-way depending on the roads, etc. and "Time is money." I live near a decent size city, and I've been looking for a landscaper. Because there are so many of them around here, most of them will only travel within a 25 mile radius (and most of them get enough business within 5 or 10 miles to stay profitable). This truck fits their needs perfectly - they can have it fully charged in the morning, hit a half dozen job sites during the day, and probably still stay well within that 150-mile range.

Also, it takes 41 minutes to charge from 15% to 80%, and it can power a home for up to three days, not "hours to recharge" and "more than a few hours" of home electricity outage. Unresearched FUD is not helpful here. Is the truck perfect? Hell no. Will it completely replace the ICE F150 within a few years? Absolutely not. Is it a step in the right direction? I think so. Is the world moving toward EV primacy? It sure looks like it. But let's use rational thought and facts when we discuss its benefits and drawbacks.

 

[sharpsicle]

Also, it takes 41 minutes to charge from 15% to 80%, and it can power a home for up to three days, not "hours to recharge" and "more than a few hours" of home electricity outage. Unresearched FUD is not helpful here. Is the truck perfect? Hell no. Will it completely replace the ICE F150 within a few years? Absolutely not. Is it a step in the right direction? I think so. Is the world moving toward EV primacy? It sure looks like it. But let's use rational thought and facts when we discuss its benefits and drawbacks.

That's a best-case perfect-charger and lowest battery capacity situation. The very next sentence in the article says "With the extended-range battery and dual-charger plugged into an 80-amp Ford Charge Station Pro charger, the system can take the battery from 15 to 100 percent charge in 8 hours". Keep in mind these range estimates and home power abilities are all based off the extended-range, not the standard battery.

So a realistic charge time if you don't drain it empty every day and aren't going all the way to 100% is somewhere in the middle, around the 3-4 hour mark. So when he says "hours of recharge time" he's not off-base at all.

 

[BAT]

Ok, the quoted range is 300 miles, and you think it'll be 150 miles when fully loaded or towing. And "Time is money." How many contractors or commercial workers are driving more than 75 miles in one direction? After all, that's at least 60 minutes one-way depending on the roads, etc. and "Time is money." I live near a decent size city, and I've been looking for a landscaper. Because there are so many of them around here, most of them will only travel within a 25 mile radius (and most of them get enough business within 5 or 10 miles to stay profitable). This truck fits their needs perfectly - they can have it fully charged in the morning, hit a half dozen job sites during the day, and probably still stay well within that 150-mile range.

Also, it takes 41 minutes to charge from 15% to 80%, and it can power a home for up to three days, not "hours to recharge" and "more than a few hours" of home electricity outage. Unresearched FUD is not helpful here. Is the truck perfect? Hell no. Will it completely replace the ICE F150 within a few years? Absolutely not. Is it a step in the right direction? I think so. Is the world moving toward EV primacy? It sure looks like it. But let's use rational thought and facts when we discuss its benefits and drawbacks.

Its likely most don't want to travel more than 25 miles because they will be stuck in traffic for hours around here. I live in Katy and most of the folks I know who live in Austin say the traffic pretty much sucks there now. But for a short hop work vehicle the truck would work. Although I have my doubts it would power a house for 3 days. My friend has a gasser with the new fangled generators or whatever is in the fords. It was only able to power up some basic stuff for about a day or so.

 

[Squelch]

That's a best-case perfect-charger and lowest battery capacity situation. The very next sentence in the article says "With the extended-range battery and dual-charger plugged into an 80-amp Ford Charge Station Pro charger, the system can take the battery from 15 to 100 percent charge in 8 hours". Keep in mind these range estimates and home power abilities are all based off the extended-range, not the standard battery.

So a realistic charge time if you don't drain it empty every day and aren't going all the way to 100% is somewhere in the middle, around the 3-4 hour mark. So when he says "hours of recharge time" he's not off-base at all.

The 15-80% in 41 minutes is from a DCFC station, not home charging. It's a different type of charging (Level 3 vs Level 2). So yeah, saying "it'll take hours to charge" isn't wrong, but it's completely ignoring the DCFC capability, which is what someone would use when they're on a road trip, or taking a lunch break in the middle of a work day. The next sentence in the article which you're pointing out refers to the charging time at home, on your Level 2 charger in your garage. So it's like saying "I can only put 5 gallons of gas in my Gladiator at a time" because you're filling it from the plastic jug in your garage at your house instead of the pump at the gas station (not a perfect analogy I know).

 

[sharpsicle]

The 15-80% in 41 minutes is from a DCFC station, not home charging. It's a different type of charging (Level 3 vs Level 2). So yeah, saying "it'll take hours to charge" isn't wrong, but it's completely ignoring the DCFC capability, which is what someone would use when they're on a road trip, or taking a lunch break in the middle of a work day. The next sentence in the article which you're pointing out refers to the charging time at home, on your Level 2 charger in your garage. So it's like saying "I can only put 5 gallons of gas in my Gladiator at a time" because you're filling it from the plastic jug in your garage at your house instead of the pump at the gas station (not a perfect analogy I know).

So you're complaining about someone making a valid point that, according to you, is exaggerating on one side of the conversation, and instead start exaggerating on the other side and calling it okay? Should we even start talking about how most places people recharge at aren't going to have the max available rate? I'd expect this from a salesman trying to sell me off a brochure, but not here.

To tell people they can charge up in under an hour is misleading. It's clever wordcraft put into press releases like this one to catch suckers like you in the fanfare. It in no way represents real-world expectations.

 

[Squelch]

So you're complaining about someone making a valid point that, according to you, is exaggerating on one side of the conversation, and instead start exaggerating on the other side and calling it okay? Should we even start talking about how most places people recharge at aren't going to have the max available rate? I'd expect this from a salesman trying to sell me off a brochure, but not here.

To tell people they can charge up in under an hour is misleading. It's clever wordcraft put into press releases like this one to catch suckers like you in the fanfare. It in no way represents real-world expectations.

Look dude, I'm not complaining about anything. I just think it's someone who either a) doesn't fully understand the technology, or b) understands and is being disingenuous. So I offered a link with some charging numbers to help the person understand, or to counter the person if they're purposely spreading false information.

I'm not a salesman or a sucker (nice ad hominem by the way) and "real-world expectations" are not universal. Perhaps my real-world expectations are that I expect a truck to charge in less than 24 hours from 50% to 60% - well hey, this (and just about any other electric vehicle in the world) fits within those real-world expectations! Awesome. But perhaps your real-world expectation is that the truck charge from 1% to 100% in five minutes - well I guess this truck doesn't meet your expectations (nor do any other EVs that I know of).

Thanks for your time.

Sponsored