Front axle retube longside

[ShadowsPapa]

The JL's have 7mm and 10mm, based on which diff size and axle housing.

No, not until the 35" tire version was released. Go dig into the JL side of things. It's even on build sheets - you can read the build sheets and see the differences.
Wrangler never had 10mm until the 35" option. It's a big deal in certain threads on other Jeep sites.

For the JT, the 10mm was introduced and mentioned in many articles where Jeep themselves said "The all new gladiator will have..............." However, at least one of them was focused on the Rubicon and that's where it was assumed - oh, the Rubicon gets it. Actually it was all.

This is old stuff, dating back years, and talked about at great length.

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[Old Dogger]

No, not until the 35" tire version was released. Go dig into the JL side of things. It's even on build sheets - you can read the build sheets and see the differences.
Wrangler never had 10mm until the 35" option. It's a big deal in certain threads on other Jeep sites.

For the JT, the 10mm was introduced and mentioned in many articles where Jeep themselves said "The all new gladiator will have..............." However, at least one of them was focused on the Rubicon and that's where it was assumed - oh, the Rubicon gets it. Actually it was all.

This is old stuff, dating back years, and talked about at great length.

I didn't say this was always the case. But the extra weight of the Diesel engine and Hemi 392 have just justified the need. And yes, the 35's are also driving it. As far as digging into the JL side, I am in that Forum every day and have been for many years.
I'm not sure that you and I can ever agree. So let's agree to dis-agree and call it a day..

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Take this one carefully - they aren't 10mm "thicker" - they are 10mm thick compared to Wrangler axle tubes -> (see how the media messes things up?!)

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

Take this one carefully - they aren't 10mm "thicker" - they are 10mm thick compared to Wrangler axle tubes -> (see how the media messes things up?!)

The amount of times this has come up is truly wild. Glad you keep receipts SP.

 

[Stan H]

This is no longer a common thing, a shop would have to make a jig to make sure everything aligns and by the time they are done the cost of labor will exceed the cost of just buying a new axle.

I suggest you just move on with your day and forgot about this worry until something breaks. The Ruby axle is already a thick walled axle tube (10mm). If you aren't bouncing rocks your fears aren't justified. If you are worried about the FAD housing then get a artec truss and do the upgrades you discuss except the retube.

Absolutely % this is spot on. The trusting would resolve 99% any issue and many are running RCV's in the tubes with the FAD .
There is a video where a fuy bounces the front of a gladiator so hard it breaks a ball joints and wheel falls off. But guess what Tube and C wasnt damaged.. This in Moab

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The amount of times this has come up is truly wild. Glad you keep receipts SP.

I have a lot more if i could find it. I'm not a great keeper of records, and didn't rename many of my files so they could be easily found.
Somewhere, I have some snips of articles about the upcoming new Jeep Gladiator, from 2017 or 18. It was an engineer talking to some "journalist", the list of features was impressive! However, over 1/2 never came to be. It never happened.
The thing about engineers talking is that they might be talking about engines, but they are a suspension engineer, or an interior engineer and so on. Unless they were involved directly with the specific area in question at the time it was actually created, I'll have questions - like the article from 17 or 18, who knows what area they actually worked in, and, they weren't present and talking about the actually released product.

My favorite example is from GM. Man, did we get into it when a couple of guys found information from a GM engineer on a Chevrolet forum where the guy said "vacuum advance was created to control emissions" and spewed out some other stuff that just plain wasn't right. Oh, but he was an engineer for GM! He knows these things! We were talking engine ignition timing in a forum - in great detail. A member asked how best to connect the vacuum advance - ported vacuum, manifold vacuum, or venturi vacuum. And another came in with quotes from the Chevy forum from this GM engineer about how it's not needed but if you do, connect it to manifold vacuum as it's only for emissions and so on.
I countered with info from a BOOK on engine design, and timing and so on.
And the guy blew a gasket - stating how dare I question the other guy - he was a GM engineer and knows that stuff, and I knew nothing. OK, college and factory trained, I guess I knew nothing, so I went into my wayback machine collection of automotive books from about 80 to 100 years ago. I found where Chrysler had invented a new fangled way to control ignition spark to help get rid of the "bog" or "lag" when taking off from a stop in city driving - the date was 1938 or so, and the invention was vacuum advance. A couple of years later, Ford did the same thing. So I posted that, and pictures I have of friends' restored classics showing a metal tube connecting a vacuum advance unit to PORTED vacuum at the carburetor just above the throttle butterfly.
That really pissed him off.
The real reason for vacuum advance was that as more and more people started buying cars and driving, including non-farmers, and women, people were complaining that there was a bit of a throttle lag, the engine bogged down a bit as they took off due to the instant inrush of air and a lean mixture which caused slowed burn times. The solution was to kick ignition timing ahead a bit at that same time, getting rid of that throttle lag. (accelerator pumps came later).
So much for the GM engineer. (who probably had nothing to do with the engine side of things anyway)
I don't think that guy on the AMC forums ever really forgave me.
Maybe when I can't do much of anything else after the surgeries in October, I'll do some sorting of my massive collection of information, rename files and index things a bit.

 

[LouisvEarlleJT]

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That's funny, yeah ported vs manifold is always a contentious issue (but was never about emissions, yet because it touches the carburetor people think that). It's literally just two different vacuum sources that work in different ways. My camaro actually prefers manifold vacuum but that's a conversation for a different forum

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I'm a real FAFO kind of guy.

No way on Gods Green Earth I'm pulling may axle, dismantling it, kajiggering some type of rig to press a new tube into it, for a maybe might could some day failure.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

That's funny, yeah ported vs manifold is always a contentious issue (but was never about emissions, yet because it touches the carburetor people think that). It's literally just two different vacuum sources that work in different ways. My camaro actually prefers manifold vacuum but that's a conversation for a different forum

Agreed, but you'd be happy with my deeper explanation as I can bet it does.

I'm a real FAFO kind of guy.

No way on Gods Green Earth I'm pulling may axle, dismantling it, kajiggering some type of rig to press a new tube into it, for a maybe might could some day failure.

Hey, a great opportunity to change CASTER while you are at it! Hmmm, good business venture - retube and adjust caster at the same time.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Agreed, but you'd be happy with my deeper explanation as I can bet it does.



Hey, a great opportunity to change CASTER while you are at it! Hmmm, good business venture - retube and adjust caster at the same time.

For it to be worth your while you'll end up charging about what an aftermarket housing costs especially once you factor in the sale price of the removed axle.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

For it to be worth your while you'll end up charging about what an aftermarket housing costs especially once you factor in the sale price of the removed axle.

Yeah, I should have tried to find a tongue-in-cheek or even sarcasm emoji.
No way that could be serious.

 

[Blade1668]

No myth to it!

Gears, Lockers, even the first ever 35 spline shaft upgrades. Now all in one place. I hope this helps Jeepers for years to come and to help new Jeep owners to understand why axles are such a big deal and require a lot of money for gear installs. This is for the Sport and Rubicons as the gears, axles, and lockers are all the same. Its the width and axle tube thickness on the OUTSIDE that are different. All JT axles are 32 spline. All JT axles are M210 front and M220 rear. Also surprisingly the Nissan Titan and Ford Bronco use Dana Spicer AdvanTEK axles.

Only the Sport S w/ Max Tow, Rubicon, Mojave, and High Altitude have a thicker tubed (10mm), 1.5" Wide Track Axle. Gasoline are 4.10

DIFF
The RD245 32 Spline and RD246 35 Spline are interchangeable rear to front and front to rear. You can change only the diff between the M210 and M220.

This information was compiled from Jeep engineer Scott Blum, and compilation from John Hartel.

Good information, hmm the locker I have might go in rear axle.

I'm a real FAFO kind of guy.

No way on Gods Green Earth I'm pulling may axle, dismantling it, kajiggering some type of rig to press a new tube into it, for a maybe might could some day failure.

Yeah, there press to do that isn't a small press and normally 50 tons or more of force if I remember correctly.

 

[Stinggrey 21 Rubi]

Its called a bottle jack, very complicated tool. Done it several times but not sure if the cast housing on this diff is worth the trouble

 

[professorkx]

My friend's Rubicon has the CVs and no FAD, not an auto transfer case either.

Yup, that’s my configuration on my 2024 Rubicon, no FAD, no auto transfer case and CV axles.

 

[professorkx]

Changing to a solid tube on the long side of the front axle is an interesting idea. Thinking this through, not sure axle alignment would need to be as perfect as a rear axle tube because the front axles have ujoints (or cv) and would deal with small alignment discrepancies, but length and the C alignment would need to be pretty close.

While I was in college, I had a business building 6x12 dual axle trailers for wood cutters, and used mobile home axles to keep the price lower for the budget minded. I had to narrow the axle about 30 inches so built a jig to set the toe, caster and camber during the narrowing process, so this isn’t rocket science, the rotating axle shafts are the complication. When I finished graduate school, went on to my career and sold the jig for about the same price as a trailer.

Going to need to noodle this one for a while…

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