Front axle retube longside

[Stinggrey 21 Rubi]

I want a slight axle upgrade, thicker wall longside tube, 2.75x .375 or 5 wall DOM.
The fad system would be removed and i would add "C" gussets regear maybe add RCV's and steel knuckles.
I have called East Coast gear and they wouldn't retube, they wanted to sell me a new front axle.
The thing is i like the ride quality and clearance of the stock setup. I just take it easy wheeling but getting deeper into the woods i want some more front axle "insurance".
Is a retube for JT something a shop in SE US offers?
I have retubed 60's years ago, successfully so if i had an old broken housing I would love to give it a shot myself but prefer to let a shop do it.

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[rharr]

This is no longer a common thing, a shop would have to make a jig to make sure everything aligns and by the time they are done the cost of labor will exceed the cost of just buying a new axle.

I suggest you just move on with your day and forgot about this worry until something breaks. The Ruby axle is already a thick walled axle tube (10mm). If you aren't bouncing rocks your fears aren't justified. If you are worried about the FAD housing then get a artec truss and do the upgrades you discuss except the retube.

 

[Zachanadandy]

Buying an aftermarket D44 won't change the ride quality and most increase ground clearance over stock. In the end it would probably be cheaper than the build you're describing and you could sell your front axle for $1-2k. If you're dead set on keeping the stock front a truss would add more strength than a retube for far less $.

 

[D_JT]

Why not add a truss and call it a day?

 

[Old Dogger]

Our 2025 Gladiator MOJAVE, has a HD thicker front axle tube, with cast-iron Knuckles. I believe that it is the same one used in the JLR 392.

 

[Watrmel0nBandit]

Gusseting, regearing, RCV Shafts and re-tubing the axle would be a killer labor fee at a shop. At the point, just get a new axle assembly. If you're not on 37"+ tires, aired down and hitting rocks hard, it's probably not needed with the current JT axles.

Either way, the axle doesn't impact ride quality.

I want a slight axle upgrade, thicker wall longside tube, 2.75x .375 or 5 wall DOM.
The fad system would be removed and i would add "C" gussets regear maybe add RCV's and steel knuckles.
I have called East Coast gear and they wouldn't retube, they wanted to sell me a new front axle.
The thing is i like the ride quality and clearance of the stock setup. I just take it easy wheeling but getting deeper into the woods i want some more front axle "insurance".
Is a retube for JT something a shop in SE US offers?
I have retubed 60's years ago, successfully so if i had an old broken housing I would love to give it a shot myself but prefer to let a shop do it.

 

[D_JT]

Our 2025 Gladiator MOJAVE, has a HD thicker front axle tube, with cast-iron Knuckles. I believe that it is the same one used in the JLR 392.

I believe Max tow, JT Rubicons, Mojave and 392 JL all have the same front axle. Aside from the 392 having CV joints vs u-joints.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

I believe Max tow, JT Rubicons, Mojave and 392 JL all have the same front axle. Aside from the 392 having CV joints vs u-joints.

My friend's Rubicon has the CVs and no FAD, not an auto transfer case either.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I believe Max tow, JT Rubicons, Mojave and 392 JL all have the same front axle. Aside from the 392 having CV joints vs u-joints.

It's all the same tube thickness. Doesn't matter. The myth that some are different came when early rags and blogs misquoted marketing info.

 

[Stinggrey 21 Rubi]

I guess i will run what i have until i can find a broken housing to play with.
I have a jacked up spine, fusions ect. so when i say i wheel slow and conservative i really mean it.
Unsprung weight on an axle really does affect ride quality, which is one of the main reasons i am considering this.

 

[Old Dogger]

It's all the same tube thickness. Doesn't matter. The myth that some are different came when early rags and blogs misquoted marketing info.

No myth to it!

Gears, Lockers, even the first ever 35 spline shaft upgrades. Now all in one place. I hope this helps Jeepers for years to come and to help new Jeep owners to understand why axles are such a big deal and require a lot of money for gear installs. This is for the Sport and Rubicons as the gears, axles, and lockers are all the same. Its the width and axle tube thickness on the OUTSIDE that are different. All JT axles are 32 spline. All JT axles are M210 front and M220 rear. Also surprisingly the Nissan Titan and Ford Bronco use Dana Spicer AdvanTEK axles.

Info Note:
Sport and S, Willys, Overland, the 80th, (non max tow) gasoline and diesels all have the standard width axles and only offer 3.73 gear ratio.
Only the Sport S w/ Max Tow, Rubicon, Mojave, and High Altitude have a thicker tubed (10mm), 1.5" Wide Track Axle. Gasoline are 4.10 gear ratio... all High Altitude’s and all Diesels are 3.73.

DIFF
The RD245 32 Spline and RD246 35 Spline are interchangeable rear to front and front to rear. You can change only the diff between the M210 and M220.

GEARS
The ring gear is not interchangeable. A M210 has to go in the front and the M220 has to go in the rear.

SHAFTS
Rubicon, Max Tow, and Mojave have thiccc boy tubes and are .75 wider per side. The diff inside is also offset.
!!!!You will need new shafts to run ARB lockers of any kind!!!!
ARB246 requires custom 35 Spline shafts

Sport and S, Willys, Overland, 80th, (non max tow), narrow axles. Still as strong at 32 Spline but must be ordered for ARB Super kits.
!!!!!! You CAN use stock shafts for ARB 245 front and rear!!!!!!!!
ARB246 requires custom 35 Spline shafts.

This information was compiled from Jeep engineer Scott Blum, and compilation from John Hartel.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

No myth to it!

Gears, Lockers, even the first ever 35 spline shaft upgrades. Now all in one place. I hope this helps Jeepers for years to come and to help new Jeep owners to understand why axles are such a big deal and require a lot of money for gear installs. This is for the Sport and Rubicons as the gears, axles, and lockers are all the same. Its the width and axle tube thickness on the OUTSIDE that are different. All JT axles are 32 spline. All JT axles are M210 front and M220 rear. Also surprisingly the Nissan Titan and Ford Bronco use Dana Spicer AdvanTEK axles.

Info Note:
Sport and S, Willys, Overland, the 80th, (non max tow) gasoline and diesels all have the standard width axles and only offer 3.73 gear ratio.
Only the Sport S w/ Max Tow, Rubicon, Mojave, and High Altitude have a thicker tubed (10mm), 1.5" Wide Track Axle. Gasoline are 4.10 gear ratio... all High Altitude’s and all Diesels are 3.73.

DIFF
The RD245 32 Spline and RD246 35 Spline are interchangeable rear to front and front to rear. You can change only the diff between the M210 and M220.

GEARS
The ring gear is not interchangeable. A M210 has to go in the front and the M220 has to go in the rear.

SHAFTS
Rubicon, Max Tow, and Mojave have thiccc boy tubes and are .75 wider per side. The diff inside is also offset.
!!!!You will need new shafts to run ARB lockers of any kind!!!!
ARB246 requires custom 35 Spline shafts

Sport and S, Willys, Overland, 80th, (non max tow), narrow axles. Still as strong at 32 Spline but must be ordered for ARB Super kits.
!!!!!! You CAN use stock shafts for ARB 245 front and rear!!!!!!!!
ARB246 requires custom 35 Spline shafts.

This information was compiled from Jeep engineer Scott Blum, and compilation from John Hartel.

Mojave yeah, probably, but the original myth started with misquotes. All JT/Gladiators had the thicker wall axle tubes than the Wrangler versions.
Mojave came later.

there's a lot of talk on this in the first year or so here.

You've got conflicting information there - on one hand you say the Mojave has 10mm, and on the other hand, you say Rubicon has it as well.

I guess I need to pull up the info I posted 4 years ago on this.

 

[Old Dogger]

Mojave yeah, probably, but the original myth started with misquotes. All JT/Gladiators had the thicker wall axle tubes than the Wrangler versions.
Mojave came later.

there's a lot of talk on this in the first year or so here.

You've got conflicting information there - on one hand you say the Mojave has 10mm, and on the other hand, you say Rubicon has it as well.

I guess I need to pull up the info I posted 4 years ago on this.

I will go, with what the Engineers have stated..
As for the difference stated, it says thicker than the Rubicon requirements. But it doesn't state that the Rubicon doesn't also have it too.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I will go, with what the Engineers have stated..

Can you show the quote?

Not a compilation or a paraphrase, but the exact quote please.

It's been brought up several times over the last 5 years and so far, it keeps coming up that all Gladiators got 10mm thick tubes compared to the 8mm of the Wrangler.
And the Wrangler with the 35" tire option also gets the thicker 10mm tubes.

BTW - your quote says the tubes are larger on the outside - I measured the tubes on my Overland and there's a post somewhere where we compared those numbers.

 

[Old Dogger]

It's been brought up several times over the last 5 years and so far, it keeps coming up that all Gladiators got 10mm thick tubes compared to the 8mm of the Wrangler.

The JL's have 7mm and 10mm, based on which diff size and axle housing.
Sorry, but to answer your question, unfortunately, I do not have any direct contacts with Stellantis Engineering. So, I would have no way of receiving from them, what you have requested.

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