Going off the grid

[Komesk]

I bet it still pings the cell towers that will still log it even after you disconnect from the Uconnect service.

Perhaps so, but the most important part is
(i) remote transmission and collection of Covered Data from your Vehicle will be stopped;
Which means they have to stop collecting, storing and processing data.

Keyword there is "most" not "All".

Some services can be provided without me sending data to them.
Anyway it's the best so far I've found.
It would be awesome to be able to request all collected data and demand to delete it.

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[Hootbro]

Perhaps so, but the most important part is
(i) remote transmission and collection of Covered Data from your Vehicle will be stopped;
Which means they have to stop collecting, storing and processing data.

That is Uconnect that claims they will stop collecting data.

What I am trying to say is that even though you opt out of Uconnect service, your radio cellular function while not connected for service, is still sending out a passive Mobile Equipment Identifier (MEI) or similar signal that the local cell phone towers will pick up and the carrier that owns that tower is still logging it as a ping. Whatever entity that wants see if your radio and by proxy your vehicle and most likely you, they can take that data and triangulate and track your relative position at a given time. It is the same tech that tracks you through your cell phone.

You are not totally dark once you opt out of Uconnect is what I am getting at unless you do further disabling of the LTE signals coming out of the radio.

I think the whole exercise of what you are wanting to do is moot since you even posting here about it leaves digital break crumbs that can be traced back to you.

 

[Komesk]

What I am trying to say is that even though you opt out of Uconnect service, your radio cellular function while not connected for service, is still sending out a passive Mobile Equipment Identifier (MEI) or similar signal that the local cell phone towers will pick up and the carrier that owns that tower is still logging it as a ping.

Is the history of those MEI signal collected? Can "they" track back all the location I've ever driven to? I do not worry about exposure of my current location, I do not want them to collect data about me.

 

[sharpsicle]

Is the history of those MEI signal collected? Can "they" track back all the location I've ever driven to? I do not worry about exposure of my current location, I do not want them to collect data about me.

"They" can still catalog the data they do receive. Like tower pings and whatnot.

Also consider that this:

remote transmission and collection of Covered Data

is talking about a specific type of data, "Covered Data". Any data categorized as a different type is not covered by this clause.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

Perhaps so, but the most important part is
(i) remote transmission and collection of Covered Data from your Vehicle will be stopped;
Which means they have to stop collecting, storing and processing data.

They are still going to collect, store, and process that data. The opt out is just to make you feel good, and make it look like they gave you a choice. The tiny fines they will be hit with if they get caught are much less than the value of the data collected. The fines are just "The cost of doing business", we don't have actual punishments for unauthorized data collection in the US.

 

[iDeacon]

This forum is guilty of having a multitude of useless ads and videos. It’s my biggest complaint with all forums. I enjoy and find useful all of the members comments though. That’s why I’ll continue to enjoy our forum. There is no end to the amount data that is collected by everyone under the Sun. Just be careful with unsolicited links that are sent to you. Do not open anything that you didn’t ask for.

AdBlock browser extension removed the ads for me. Now just white space where the ads were. Works in both Safari and Chrome.

AdBlock is probably tracking me though!

 

[Komesk]

"They" can still catalog the data they do receive. Like tower pings and whatnot.

Can does not mean they will. And if they did, that would be illegal. Сlass action suitcase can do lot's of damage to any corporation.

is talking about a specific type of data, "Covered Data". Any data categorized as a different type is not covered by this clause.

According to definition on the page I provided earlier, it covers all the data collected by UConnect.

 

[Komesk]

They are still going to collect, store, and process that data. The opt out is just to make you feel good, and make it look like they gave you a choice. The tiny fines they will be hit with if they get caught are much less than the value of the data collected. The fines are just "The cost of doing business", we don't have actual punishments for unauthorized data collection in the US.

Well, people in Europe really make big corporations to change they attitude towards data collection, are we here in US less powerful or more lazy?

 

[Deleted member 57233]

Well, people in Europe really make big corporations to change they attitude towards data collection, are we here in US less powerful or more lazy?

Corporations don't control the EU government through lobbying like they do here.

 

[Hootbro]

Corporations don't control the EU government through lobbying like they do here.

That is because of a post Civil War Supreme Court case of " Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Co." that brought into being the legal notion of "Corporate Personhood".

Basically means the corporations in the USA have same personal rights as individual persons interpreted through 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause.

That is why corporations and PAC's have almost unfettered access through lobbying to the political class as denying or restricting them access is the same if it was a individual person.

After this decision, is when the Robber Barons and the corporate monopolizing went into overdrive in the late 19th century and continues today.

 

[sharpsicle]

Сlass action suitcase can do lot's of damage to any corporation.

like, hitting them with the suitcase?

Can does not mean they will. And if they did, that would be illegal.

Ah ok, so then there's really nothing to worry about with this then after all? The whole thread was a tease.

 

[Komesk]

Ah ok, so then there's really nothing to worry about with this then after all? The whole thread was a tease.

Maybe for you, I have no idea. I explicitly stated what worries me.

 

[smlobx]

My wife is in the haz waste business. One of her main clients is one of the largest propellant manufacturer in the US for the military. Another is in the nuclear business.

You would be amazed at her Google search history. I’m surprised that we haven’t had a visit from either the ATF or the FBI!

 

[Mr._Bill]

Maybe for you, I have no idea. I explicitly stated what worries me.

Worrying over what Uconnect collects and stores is a waste of time, as is opting out of the 'collection' process. Regardless of what they say, that data is collected and stored by everything and everyone that handles it. Nobody gives a shit about you, where you go, or what you do, until you give them a reason to care. You're just one drop in a mountain of data. If you really are so concerned that you feel the need to go 'off grid' then you have to stop using anything that connects to the Internet, Cellular Network, or Public Telephone System.

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