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I am contemplating putting an NMO mount and a No Ground Plane Antenna thru the roof just above the overhead speakers on the Alpine system..... How thick is the fiberglass? I need to order the NMO mount and don't want to get one too short.

Awesome build BTW!
You can get a thick mount NMO that has an N or SMA connector on the bottom side instead of permanently attached coax. For a no ground plane VHF or UHF antenna I would recommend installing three snap on ferrites of a #43 mix or Laird 28 mix near the mount as the no GP antennas mounted on an insulator will try to use your coax as a ground plane and that can make the coax hot with RF.
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So I finally got the major parts of my ground plane project finished. As noted prior this will serve as a ground plane for 1/4 wave antennas for a GMRS radio and another 2 meter/VHF radio. The roofrack will also function as a roof rack if needed and the ground plane will act as shade for the roof keeping the temperature down inside during summer.

The area where the two radio antennas and the Sirius antenna go through the roof. So far no leaks. The Sirius antenna needed to be moved because the metal blocks it from working.

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The front of the truck with the roofrack

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The antennas and the ground plane. I decided to build a little extra platform for the GMRS antenna because I didn't want it in the "valley" of the roofrack and figured elevating it a few inches couldn't hurt its distance transmission.

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It was pretty arduous sourcing parts. All the hardware that is not antenna is aluminum. Aluminum bolts, aluminum spacers, aluminum roofrack, aluminum sheets. I went with the aluminum roofrack because I'm older, working out of a garage, and therefore could use the lighter weight. All the other aluminum parts were to prevent galvanic corrosion processes.
Holy signal batman! That's one heck of a setup! What's that mushroom looking thing? A sat antenna maybe for a Garmin? It looks pretty well built - but like @Radio Guy mentioned I am curious if you have done any functional testing yet to see if its maybe too much metal?

I am contemplating putting an NMO mount and a No Ground Plane Antenna thru the roof just above the overhead speakers on the Alpine system..... How thick is the fiberglass? I need to order the NMO mount and don't want to get one too short.

Awesome build BTW!
NMO mount isn't going to work for that unless it's a custom deal. I dont think anyone makes one that is long enough to go through the top. From watching videos of people drilling through them I think it's pretty thick with some open dedspace in the middle.
 

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You can get a thick mount NMO that has an N or SMA connector on the bottom side instead of permanently attached coax. For a no ground plane VHF or UHF antenna I would recommend installing three snap on ferrites of a #43 mix or Laird 28 mix near the mount as the no GP antennas mounted on an insulator will try to use your coax as a ground plane and that can make the coax hot with RF.
I could add an aluminum counterpoise. Math works out to 6.12” that should hide up under the speaker bar
 

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I could add an aluminum counterpoise. Math works out to 6.12” that should hide up under the speaker bar
I would not use a single counterpoise and use at least two or more “radials” heading in opposite directions or a 12” dia conductive sheet. Or a 12” long strip of 2” wide aluminum HVAC tape with the mount planted in the middle.

A single counterpoise will make a dipole (an inverted V dipole in this case) and that single counterpoise will radiate just like the main whip but in a horizontal plane. When you have two or more 1/4 wave resonant radials going in opposite directions the RF will be instantaneously traveling in opposite directions canceling out radiation leaving only the whip to radiate.

I thought the Jeep owners manual explained all this….
 

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I thought the Jeep owners manual explained all this….
Crap! Was 'sposed to READ the directions?

So if I were to cut a piece of aluminum plate @ 12.24"D with the antenna mount in the center I am good to go? I wouldn't need a NGP antenna then? (or do I?)
 

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That is a really nice looking install with some serious attention to detail!
 

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Crap! Was 'sposed to READ the directions?

So if I were to cut a piece of aluminum plate @ 12.24"D with the antenna mount in the center I am good to go? I wouldn't need a NGP antenna then? (or do I?)
If you provide an adequate ground plane you can use any GMRS or UHF antenna and not be stuck shopping for a NGP type. A 12” round disc or square sheet is a good size ground plane for GMRS or make an X with some 2” wide aluminum tape that is 12” across with the mount in the middle.
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