Identifying MaxTow on 2022 EcoDiesel

[ShadowsPapa]

Any gladiator really shouldn’t tow more than 4000lbs regularly. Can they… sure…. But they are not full sized trucks and do struggle with high altitude, heat, etc.

If you are buying a gladiator just to tow, don’t…

Funny because thousands of us tow with these, some fairly regular. Even an Overland can easily tow 5,000 pounds and no, I'd not be afraid to trim that just a bit and hit mountains.

Funny how such things come out as "FACT!" and "TRUTH!" even though it's really just opinion.

So the pentastar winds up, runs higher RPM - big freaking whoop. Ever driven an LS equipped Chevy? My LS had to wind up HIGHER and hold higher RPM to take the same hills my Pentastar takes at several hundred RPM less. And, my Pentastar gets better mpg than my Chevy LS ever did. I'd see 5,000 RPM with the Chevy - the JT does about 4300 to take the same hills at the same speed. Interesting.
Oh, and that's truth, fact.

So it's the same equipment, sans the silly name.

Almost - it is not the same equipment because it's the diesel and they couldn't get past heat rejection to make the grade (figuratively and literally)



I just can't understand it - people compare parts instead of packages. Max tow is a PACKAGE so if it doesn't say max tow, it isn't. It's truly that simple.
And it's ONLY on gas, ONLY on the sport line.
If it's not the sport line it cant be max tow.
If it's not gas, it can't be max tow.
Not difficult. Just two criteria, and the fact that the window sticker and build sheet will specifically state max tow if it is.
If the window sticker and build sheet don't state the max tow OPTION/package, then it isn't, no matter what else is there.

Hope that simplifies things ;-)

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[ShadowsPapa]

Mojave with factory tow package

Nice choice.

I get 17mpg avg while towing. My buddy in the Gas version gets 9.5/10mpg on the same routes, same lift / tires and a very similar trailer.

But you leave out a lot of facts - cost of ownership, cost to buy, DEF, maintenance, often higher fuel costs. 6 or 7 months ago I compared the cost in fuel to drive xx distance using the JT diesel typical mpg vs. what I typically get - it was a wash. The diesel bragged more mpg, but in the end, my truck was the same in fuel costs, and in the end, cheaper to own.
The MPG difference really only counts if you have to drive long distances between fuel stations and if the fuel costs are close to each other. And that varies, sometimes a lot.
There are advantages (quite often it's mainly personal preference and the feel of the diesel) but there are cons no one talks about (same for EITHER engine)

 

[PDACPA]

That's actually what led me to post the question. The build sheet had all of the individual components, but didn't specifically say Max Tow.

We just purchased a 2022 Rubicon with the diesel. I too was looking for the Max Tow on a Rubicon. I went to the Jeep site and built a few to get pricing and see options. From what I can see, the Max Tow package can only be ordered on the Sport or Sport + model.

That being said, the Rubicon Diesel comes with the 4.10 Axle Ratio, electronic trailer sway control, the Heavy Duty Dana 44 front and real axle. And the one I bought had the optional Trailer Tow Package (not Max Tow) which has the Class IV hitch and Trailer Hitch Zoom. The Monroney does not state it, but the manufacturer says with the Trailer Tow Package you also get the Heavy Duty Engine cooling.

So basically, the items missing from the Max Tow Package are the 240 amp Alternator (though I have no idea which alternator comes with the Diesel) and the Track Lok Anti Spin Rear Differential.

My boat is dry weight 2,450 and trailer is 1,390 (so $3,840 with no fuel and gear). I figure I am fine for towing which I do not do that often as the boat is in a marina, but needed to be able to tow it occasionally.

 

[RidingDonkeys]

Thanks for all the info. Did the deal and brought her home last night. 2022 Ecodiesel with only 8k on the clock.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So basically, the items missing from the Max Tow Package are the 240 amp Alternator (though I have no idea which alternator comes with the Diesel) and the Track Lok Anti Spin Rear Differential.

As said numerous times - don't even try to compare. it's not parts alone that make max tow. You can't add parts and say gee, now it's got everything max tow has - because it won't.
You'd need to drop to 32" tires, gas engine and more.

Stick with what Jeeps says - weeks of engineering went into determining what can tow what.
Whatever the chart in your owners' manual says for your truck is what the tow rating is.
People keep looking at the parts and missing the whole picture. Ya know, the forest for the trees bit. So much focusing on the individual parts and they miss the whole truck, the whole package.

Again it's not just parts - it's tires (tire and wheel weights as well), cooling, center of gravity and things you just can't buy and bolt on.

Look in the book before buying. Don't overthink it. The chart tells it all.
The diesel is limited in part due to cooling. Anything other than Sport/Sport S is limited by tire size - and a whole slew of other engineering considerations.

If you need to tow, buy the truck that will tow for you - not anything that's pretty or cool and then try to make it what it's not.

Max tow - ONLY - Sport/Sport S and ONLY gas and ONLY automatic.
If the window sticker and build sheet don't mention the max tow package, then it's not.

There it is, boiled down to two lines.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Thanks for all the info. Did the deal and brought her home last night. 2022 Ecodiesel with only 8k on the clock.

Nice looking rig. Enjoy!

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Funny because thousands of us tow with these, some fairly regular. Even an Overland can easily tow 5,000 pounds and no, I'd not be afraid to trim that just a bit and hit mountains.

Funny how such things come out as "FACT!" and "TRUTH!" even though it's really just opinion.

So the pentastar winds up, runs higher RPM - big freaking whoop. Ever driven an LS equipped Chevy? My LS had to wind up HIGHER and hold higher RPM to take the same hills my Pentastar takes at several hundred RPM less. And, my Pentastar gets better mpg than my Chevy LS ever did. I'd see 5,000 RPM with the Chevy - the JT does about 4300 to take the same hills at the same speed. Interesting.
Oh, and that's truth, fact.

"Easily tow" is subjective.

Did your LS Chevy have an 8 speed transmission?

 

[djthumper]

Don’t let the CP4 stuff worry you either.

I run hotshots EDT and am at 35k…. Zero issues so far. (Besides an annoying rattle in the roof due to my roof rack….)

I also run Hotshots EDT and I am at 37K

We just purchased a 2022 Rubicon with the diesel. I too was looking for the Max Tow on a Rubicon. I went to the Jeep site and built a few to get pricing and see options. From what I can see, the Max Tow package can only be ordered on the Sport or Sport + model.

That being said, the Rubicon Diesel comes with the 4.10 Axle Ratio, electronic trailer sway control, the Heavy Duty Dana 44 front and real axle. And the one I bought had the optional Trailer Tow Package (not Max Tow) which has the Class IV hitch and Trailer Hitch Zoom. The Monroney does not state it, but the manufacturer says with the Trailer Tow Package you also get the Heavy Duty Engine cooling.

So basically, the items missing from the Max Tow Package are the 240 amp Alternator (though I have no idea which alternator comes with the Diesel) and the Track Lok Anti Spin Rear Differential.

My boat is dry weight 2,450 and trailer is 1,390 (so $3,840 with no fuel and gear). I figure I am fine for towing which I do not do that often as the boat is in a marina, but needed to be able to tow it occasionally.

Double-check your build sheet. The last time I looked at a friend's Rubicon EcoDiesel build sheet, diesels are built with 3.73 gears and not 4.10s. Hopefully they changed that.

Thanks for all the info. Did the deal and brought her home last night. 2022 Ecodiesel with only 8k on the clock.

Nice looking rig.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

"Easily tow" is subjective.

Did your LS Chevy have an 8 speed transmission?

6 speed.
Doubt much would have changed with an 8 speed as it would still have been in the 4,000s a lot.

And my JT does easily tow that weight.

 

[Gvsukids]

Max tow - ONLY - Sport/Sport S and ONLY gas and ONLY automatic.
If the window sticker and build sheet don't mention the max tow package, then it's not.

There it is, boiled down to two lines

It's really more about the cool factor.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

6 speed.
Doubt much would have changed with an 8 speed as it would still have been in the 4,000s a lot.

And my JT does easily tow that weight.

I don't doubt you think your JT can easily tow that weight.

It just seemed a little ironic you stated your opinion before calling out another poster for not stating "FACTS!" and "TRUTH!".

 

[fourfa]

That being said, the Rubicon Diesel comes with the 4.10 Axle Ratio

Sorry to pick on you for this (someone else above did too) but Jeep makes it really easy to be confused by this. On the window sticker, on the LEFT they list all the standard equipment that comes generically on whatever trim you have. On the RIGHT they list all the optional equipment, some of which may supersede the standard equipment.

Attached my window sticker for clarity

Rubicons come standard with gas engines and 4.10 axles. If you get the optional diesel, you also get the 3.73 axles along with it. All diesels get 3.73s from the factory with no exceptions. Look again on the right side of the sticker, you’ll see the 3.73 listed

 

[CreepyJeepy]

6 speed.
Doubt much would have changed with an 8 speed as it would still have been in the 4,000s a lot.

And my JT does easily tow that weight.

Agreed, 4000 is not a problem….

But if it’s in the format of a camper with a lot of wind resistance, and you are towing at 9000-11000 feet elevation, things change pretty quickly compared to a full size truck.

 

[CreepyJeepy]

Funny because thousands of us tow with these, some fairly regular. Even an Overland can easily tow 5,000 pounds and no, I'd not be afraid to trim that just a bit and hit mountains.

Funny how such things come out as "FACT!" and "TRUTH!" even though it's really just opinion.

So the pentastar winds up, runs higher RPM - big freaking whoop. Ever driven an LS equipped Chevy? My LS had to wind up HIGHER and hold higher RPM to take the same hills my Pentastar takes at several hundred RPM less. And, my Pentastar gets better mpg than my Chevy LS ever did. I'd see 5,000 RPM with the Chevy - the JT does about 4300 to take the same hills at the same speed. Interesting.
Oh, and that's truth, fact.


Almost - it is not the same equipment because it's the diesel and they couldn't get past heat rejection to make the grade (figuratively and literally)



I just can't understand it - people compare parts instead of packages. Max tow is a PACKAGE so if it doesn't say max tow, it isn't. It's truly that simple.
And it's ONLY on gas, ONLY on the sport line.
If it's not the sport line it cant be max tow.
If it's not gas, it can't be max tow.
Not difficult. Just two criteria, and the fact that the window sticker and build sheet will specifically state max tow if it is.
If the window sticker and build sheet don't state the max tow OPTION/package, then it isn't, no matter what else is there.

Hope that simplifies things ;-)

I can see I riled you up a little! Agreed these are opinions… but I really think after owning my gladiator and an actual full size truck at altitude, max tow ratings and limits really are just that ‘limits’ of capability.

Sitting behind an engine at 4000 rpm’s for long periods of time may or may not impact the engine itself, but certainly takes a toll on the driver / fuel mileage.

I stand by what I say, these trucks are Jeeps First, with a bit of a truck attitude / personality / capability.

I wouldn’t buy one as a primary tow vehicle for a 5000lb camper…. The air drag, weight distribution, and layout will cause the vehicle to operate near its limit. Which has a direct impact on vehicle life/longevity and driver comfort.

The Gladiator is a compromise.

I love it, but am happy I don’t tow 4000lb camper everywhere with it.

Also I do stand by the ecodiesel being a better mid weight tow engine.

It proved its weight in gold to me on a Moab trip, as I was getting 17mpg, where my friends JTR got 9.5 pulling a nearly identical trailer.

 

[PDACPA]

As said numerous times - don't even try to compare. it's not parts alone that make max tow. You can't add parts and say gee, now it's got everything max tow has - because it won't.
You'd need to drop to 32" tires, gas engine and more.

Stick with what Jeeps says - weeks of engineering went into determining what can tow what.
Whatever the chart in your owners' manual says for your truck is what the tow rating is.
People keep looking at the parts and missing the whole picture. Ya know, the forest for the trees bit. So much focusing on the individual parts and they miss the whole truck, the whole package.

Again it's not just parts - it's tires (tire and wheel weights as well), cooling, center of gravity and things you just can't buy and bolt on.

Look in the book before buying. Don't overthink it. The chart tells it all.
The diesel is limited in part due to cooling. Anything other than Sport/Sport S is limited by tire size - and a whole slew of other engineering considerations.

If you need to tow, buy the truck that will tow for you - not anything that's pretty or cool and then try to make it what it's not.

Max tow - ONLY - Sport/Sport S and ONLY gas and ONLY automatic.
If the window sticker and build sheet don't mention the max tow package, then it's not.

There it is, boiled down to two lines.

I agree. I went based off the manufacturer's tow rating and not what bits the build had. That being said, having some of the Max Tow package components is a positive.

Sorry to pick on you for this (someone else above did too) but Jeep makes it really easy to be confused by this. On the window sticker, on the LEFT they list all the standard equipment that comes generically on whatever trim you have. On the RIGHT they list all the optional equipment, some of which may supersede the standard equipment.

Attached my window sticker for clarity

Rubicons come standard with gas engines and 4.10 axles. If you get the optional diesel, you also get the 3.73 axles along with it. All diesels get 3.73s from the factory with no exceptions. Look again on the right side of the sticker, you’ll see the 3.73 listed

No worries. Thanks for correcting me. Mine looks the same!

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