Is ethanol good for the Gladiator?

[Gvsukids]

Others a few years later, though using ethanol as fuel in an engine goes back to 1800s
https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/energy/biofuels/energy-briefs/history-of-ethanol-production-and-policy

Thanks for the reiteration of post #80.

https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/energy/biofuels/energy-briefs/history-of-ethanol-production-and-policy

"The Energy Information Agency (2005) describes the history of ethanol. Ethanol’s first use was to power an engine in 1826, and in 1876, Nicolaus Otto, the inventor of the modern four-cycle internal combustion engine, used ethanol to power an early engine. Ethanol also was used as a lighting fuel in the 1850s, but its use curtailed when it was taxed as liquor to help pay for the Civil War. Ethanol use as a fuel continued after the tax was repealed, and fueled Henry Ford’s Model T in 1908. The first ethanol blended with gasoline for use as an octane booster occurred in the 1920s and 1930s, and was in high demand during World War II because of fuel shortages."

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[ShadowsPapa]

Seems folks did pay attention when I said one of my sources was North Dakota State University LOL

But then, when you restore engines made in about 1910, you get to know a bit about their history.
Some of the early stationary engines ran off LP and natural gas, especially those around the oil fields.

 

[JET_83]

Game. Set. Match. Top-Tier, no ethanol!

 

[MPMB]

R U that young, that unlearned to think that until there was a law, something didn't exist?
The only reason they could make such a law and enforce it is because ethanol was already in use, successfully, and the bugs and kinks had been worked out.
Using your logic, there were no seat belts in cars until about 1968! And yet my 1964 had them, and many cars before that had seat belts, and if I recall, WI required them to be in cars well before 1968. But by your logic, seat belts were not in any cars until 1968.
Ethanol was already in gas - the feds just mandated it, and made minimums in the law you reference. Read the code itself - not just signs or links, read the actual law in detail.

Here's more proof it was happening long before the MANDATE in 2005:
President Nixon initiated the “Project Independence” program in 1974 to make the U.S. independent of imported oil. Much of the 1978 Energy Act was a concentration on the viability of domestically produced ethanol to offset imported oil. So the feds were looking at it in the 70s.

In the 1990s I rode snowmobiles. We would fill up the sleds in Eastern Washington because fuel there was not "watered" down with ethanol.

 

[sharpsicle]

In the 1990s I rode snowmobiles. We would fill up the sleds in Eastern Washington because fuel there was not "watered" down with ethanol.

Yep. That's a reason some stations have 2 versions of 87 today, one with and one without ethanol. For recreational use.

Oh, and I guarantee you that the "top tier" gas in the photo above is the ethanol mix left most selector that was conveniently cut off from the photo. This is one of those stations that has multiple blend types. Not all of them are Top Tier though. The 10% ethanol blend is the one that is the certified Top Tier fuel.

 

[MPMB]

Yep. That's a reason some stations have 2 versions of 87 today, one with and one without ethanol. For recreational use.

Oh, and I guarantee you that the "top tier" gas in the photo above is the ethanol mix left most selector that was conveniently cut off from the photo. This is one of those stations that has multiple blend types. Not all of them are Top Tier though. The 10% ethanol blend is the one that is the certified Top Tier fuel.

Between reading the TopTier certification and Phillips66 marketing materials... I would say Phillips66 is playing loose. They claim their gas has 3x the detergents required by TopTier (or something like that), so that would mean that all their fuels surpass TopTier detergent requirements. And considering TopTier is voluntary and likely unenforced, it doesn't really matter.

Who's going to take a sample of gas and test it? No one.

Related, I tried to pay attention filling up on vacation last week and got gas at Conoco, Maverick, Shell, and Chevron stations. Chevron was the only one with TopTier stickers that I noticed.

 

[JET_83]

Yep. That's a reason some stations have 2 versions of 87 today, one with and one without ethanol. For recreational use.

Oh, and I guarantee you that the "top tier" gas in the photo above is the ethanol mix left most selector that was conveniently cut off from the photo. This is one of those stations that has multiple blend types. Not all of them are Top Tier though. The 10% ethanol blend is the one that is the certified Top Tier fuel.

Nope, no ethanol

 

[JET_83]

It’s all top-tier, just one is blended other isn’t

 

[Gvsukids]

Nope, no ethanol

How do you know?

 

[JET_83]

How do you know?

From the pump obviously

 

[JET_83]

From the pump obviously

I’ll let you all be ignorant when I clearly gave proof

 

[Gvsukids]

I’ll let you all be ignorant when I clearly gave proof

Show the whole label.

 

[JET_83]

Show the whole label.

I did and you all continue to be in denial when evidence is empirical.

 

[MPMB]

Show the whole label.

I re-read the TopTier testing specs and process.

TopTier is a detergent package certification. A brand will submit their fuel, based on the TT requirements - which specifies ethanol blended fuel - and add the detergent package. The testing requirements are about valve deposits and engine gunk (I'm skipping the technical specifics).

Once the independent laboratory test has been accepted as valid by TT, the *detergent package* is approved (they note that this does not mean the brand can use the TT logos/trademark).

I interpret that as being: As long as the approved detergent package is added to *all* the fuels, then all fuels are considered "TopTier."

The short version is: Fuels aren't TopTier-certified. The detergent package is.

 

[Gvsukids]

I did and you all continue to be in denial when evidence is empirical.

Our top tier stations aren't 100% gasoline.

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