Is Jeep tracking my mileage and everything through U-Connect?

[Hootbro]

Interesting, I wonder if they snuck that in on the 2023 as an option (or possibly standard) even without the 8.4 screen. Anyone know if this applies to earlier years too? And what package might get it added?

I believe it is the late 2021 model year and definitely by 2022 model year when they made the 7.0 radio standard on the lower trims, it brought the "Assist and SOS System" buttons above the mirror that brought 4G LTE connect service standard with the 7.0 radios and some connect services.

2020 and early 2021 models with the 7.0 radios did not have the connect services.

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[TinMan2020]

Same for your phone, most browsers, email, those "download now for free" games on TV like FOE, Bingo, slots and other crap - oh, it's FREE! Yeah, someone spent time writing them, there's server space and hosting...... free, ok, whatever.......... Anything and everything you do is tracked in some way by someone. Go to any web site and check "who is watching you".

THIS site -

It doesn't - it comes with the 4.10:1 ratio and the slightly wider axles than a Sport or Sport S without max tow. A whopping 1.5" wider (0.75" per side)
That's it - unless you consider the slightly wider axles the "upgraded Dana axles".
They all get the same axles except for width and gear ratio. Of course, Rubicon gets lockers F and R, and Mojave R, but that's not speaking to any other part of the axle.
So bottom line - if you consider 4.10 ratio and 1.5" extra width to be "upgraded axles", then you got upgraded axles.
All else is the same. Period. Been hashed about here for years. The High Altitude has the same axles as max tow because the HA has the slightly wider axles with the 4.10 ratio.

I feel like you love to argue.

I would identify an axle/rear diff that is wider, beefier, gear ratio more geared for towing and Limited Slip an upgraded axle.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If a person is stupid enough to commit a crime they find out all about this in a hurry.

Nice thing about where I live is crappy cell reception, and the fact that as you go south on my property, even GPS doesn't work well. When I drive my JT down to my shop, I lose satellite radio and NAV and cell doesn't work.
It's really a great place to stash bodies except that I've found something in this area dug one up one time. I was back walking in my woods and saw - hmm, something has dug there and dang, there's bones up on top of the ground now - crap. So I have to bury stuff deeper.
Otherwise, it's a great place to lose things you don't ever want found.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I feel like you love to argue.

I would identify an axle/rear diff that is wider, beefier, gear ratio more geared for towing and Limited Slip an upgraded axle.

Just explaining facts. Nothing beefier. It's NOT beefier. That's something that came about by people "suggesting" on the internet, or mis-reading internet articles. It's not beefier (not "stronger")

LSD is even in Overland, pretty much anything now.
So by your definition, if I put in a lower gear ratio, I'd have a beefier axle?

The ONLY differences is width and ratio.
HA (High Altitude) has wider axles with the 4.10 ratio. Does that mean they are beefier? Same axles as max tow, exactly.

I'm only pointing out the facts of the matter. When people say "upgraded" or "beefier" - where's the beef? We've talked about this for years here, it's been hashed out over years.
No, they aren't upgraded or beefier - wider with a lower ratio. Big deal.
i've dug and researched this stuff for a very long time.
Some don't consider LSD to be an upgrade, some do. it's an option, and it is likely now standard to prevent having such a mix and mish-mash of options.
If you are in sales, then you know how companies "bundle" things - you can't get a tonneau cover without choosing a 2K package or some other options - bundling. Possibly, even likely, market research showed buyers were asking for or wanted LSD when towing - so it got bundled in. Possibly, again, to reduce the various axle configurations sitting on pallets - cut down from 5 or 6 combos to 4 or 5 combos. Saves money by bundling, especially if the market research shows a demand. (I've participated in several such studies myself)

The first year or so, LSD wasn't even an option in Max tow!
You could not get a Sport S or max tow with limited slip. It's only been included as "standard" in recent years.
So if you have a 2020 Sport S max tow - you have a 4.10 ratio and 1.5" wider axles and NO LSD. You couldn't get LSD in max tow and that was one of the lower on the list reasons I didn't go with max tow back then.

 

[TinMan2020]

Just explaining facts. Nothing beefier.
LSD is even in Overland, pretty much anything now.
The ONLY differences is width and ratio. HA has wider axles with the 4.10 ratio.
I'm only pointing out the facts of the matter. When people say "upgraded" or "beefier" - where's the beef? We've talked about this for years here, it's been hashed out over years.
No, they aren't upgraded or beefier - wider with a lower ratio. Big deal.

It might be in the overland package but it’s not standard in the sport and sport s package…..therefore an upgrade that comes with the max tow package.

 

[JRobes]

I believe it is the late 2021 model year and definitely by 2022 model year when they made the 7.0 radio standard on the lower trims, it brought the "Assist and SOS System" buttons above the mirror that brought 4G LTE connect service standard with the 7.0 radios and some connect services.

2020 and early 2021 models with the 7.0 radios did not have the connect services.

Good info ? So if you're trying to stay under the radar and protect your privacy buy an early model without the 8.4 UConnect or Assist and SOS System buttons above the mirror.

And stay away from dealerships for service if we think they data dump during service visits.

 

[Hootbro]

Good info ? So if you're trying to stay under the radar and protect your privacy buy an early model without the 8.4 UConnect or Assist and SOS System buttons above the mirror.

And stay away from dealerships for service if we think they data dumps during service visits.

There been a couple of other threads deep diving it but I think even the earlier vehicles without the 4G LTE stuff, there is still some passive data emitted and collected on the Satellite Radio equipped vehicle even if you do not have a subscription service. Mainly just radio ID pinging and location data.

Making these radios totally dark is a pain and also pretty much moot if you carry a cell phone in your pocket anyways that is collecting the same and even more data than your radio does.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

There been a couple of other threads deep diving it but I think even the earlier vehicles without the 4G LTE stuff, there is still some passive data emitted and collected on the Satellite Radio equipped vehicle even if you do not have a subscription service. Mainly just radio ID pinging and location data.

Making these radios totally dark is a pain and also pretty much moot if you carry a cell phone in your pocket anyways that is collecting the same and even more data than your radio does.

We're experimenting with cost-saving stuff for our insurance - those tracking things insurance companies use to save you money.
If you want to know details - that thing will tell you the exact rate of deceleration - like if you went from 45 mph to 25 mph in xx feet, for example, or went from 0 to 60 in xx feet and yy seconds. They not only know where you went, but how long it took to get there, your braking level, you acceleration levels and holy cow.............. talk about DETAILS!
I had to laugh when my wife let off the gas of her 4xe and the thing acted like she hit the brakes because we have it on max regen much of the time.............. she's still getting used to feathering the throttle and a full let-off of the gas is the same as braking and you feel it. That app flagged her for excessive brake use. Granted, it's watching trends, so that one instance is nothing, but it was interesting to see. Hmmmmm, I'll have to see how long this thing lasts with us..............especially ME.

 

[Throwback]

It's those damned ducks. They're watching me all the time. Those beady little duck eyes, clicking, clicking, clicking. Reporting to their duck overlords. I tried putting foil over the windows but I couldn't see and rear ended a Subaru. Those ducks told on me.

Seriously, though, that old SV saying about "you're not the customer, you're the product" now applies to things we actually buy, like notebooks, phones and even vehicles.

 

[Hootbro]

We're experimenting with cost-saving stuff for our insurance - those tracking things insurance companies use to save you money.
If you want to know details - that thing will tell you the exact rate of deceleration - like if you went from 45 mph to 25 mph in xx feet, for example, or went from 0 to 60 in xx feet and yy seconds. They not only know where you went, but how long it took to get there, your braking level, you acceleration levels and holy cow.............. talk about DETAILS!
I had to laugh when my wife let off the gas of her 4xe and the thing acted like she hit the brakes because we have it on max regen much of the time.............. she's still getting used to feathering the throttle and a full let-off of the gas is the same as braking and you feel it. That app flagged her for excessive brake use. Granted, it's watching trends, so that one instance is nothing, but it was interesting to see. Hmmmmm, I'll have to see how long this thing lasts with us..............especially ME.

Had one a couple of years ago when I had Progressive and found it not in my favor. Not that I was a bad driver by any means but what it counted as hard braking was unrealistic. It would not seperate out a hard braking event like coming up to a stop too quick (my fault) or if some asshole pulls out in front of you in the last second. The latter happended quite a bit.

 

[TinMan2020]

It's those damned ducks. They're watching me all the time. Those beady little duck eyes, clicking, clicking, clicking. Reporting to their duck overlords. I tried putting foil over the windows but I couldn't see and rear ended a Subaru. Those ducks told on me.

Seriously, though, that old SV saying about "you're not the customer, you're the product" now applies to things we actually buy, like notebooks, phones and even vehicles.

you should put the ducks on your dash inside a cardboard box then put them back on the dash…..so they can’t see what you are doing.

 

[Wolf Island Diver]

Uses a smartphone connected to WiFi to connect through an ISP to use Google to search for a forum to post about the privacy concerns of Stellantis/XMSirius sending mileage telemetry to your Mopar account. ?

I would worry about the Jeep telemetry only after I’ve addressed the following:

1. Secure your WiFi, w/ no SSID broadcast, a complex lengthy password, guest network disabled, modern encryption algorithm, disable port forwarding, disable wps, etc.,
2. Never allow any IOT device on the same WiFi network as your computers. Put them on an isolated network. Same for Alexa devices
3. Better yet, don’t use IOT devices or Alexa, Google Assistant at all or at least restrict access, data sharing, etc., in their in settings.
4. Don’t use any IP or Wyze or Ring cameras
5. Don’t use cheap internet connected products from China
6. Don’t own a Chinese made drone. If you do don’t keep it on or connected to your network. Don’t use it near anything you don’t mind the DPRC seeing.
7. Use an Apple device, not Android.
8. Turn on do not track or disable all tracking for apps
9. Turn off location settings for most, if not all apps. Allow by exception
10. Enable call blocking with your carrier, although this paradoxical gives them more access. Don’t answer unknown calls.
11. Use private relay if not a VPN
12. Dig deep into the TOS and settings of your ISP. Opt out of all tracking, data sharing/harvesting/marketing, etc. Most ISPs collect browsing meta data. Consider changing ISPs that do the least of that stuff. Don’t use Verizon
13. Do the same for cell carrier. Opt out, etc Don’t use Verizon.
14. Don’t use Google, or at least never sign in. Delete all your cookies. Google uses a persistent cookie that doesn’t require log in to work if you’ve ever logged in. Use DuckDuckGo.
15. Use an incognito window. Delete browsing history.
16. Never use your email for any account you create. Use email forwarding. Apple provides this natively now
17. Never rotate passwords. Use a password manager and ultra complex passwords, never use identifying dates, phrases, names etc in password
18. Turn off website tracking, use an ad blocker, etc.
19. Don’t use any social media, especially Meta.
20. Turn off rich media in email
21. Don’t click on links in email messages. If you get an email from your bank or other account. Call them. Don’t respond to the email.
22. Never click a link in an sms message
23. All accounts use at a bare minimum 2FA. Ideally use keys and a dongle.
24. Don’t plaster your personal views, gun ownership status, etc., on your cars bumper
25. Never open carry or do so with appropriate tactical considerations
26. Never throw away old devices. Keep or obliterate hard drives. Wipe phones before getting rid of them. Destroy old SIM cards
27. Use a paper shredder
28. Opt out of credit offer pre-screening
29. Place yourself on the Deceased Do Not Call List. The regular DNC list sometimes makes things worse.
30. Never donate or provide your email or phone number directly to political campaigns or parties, especially the GOP. <— That’s not a political statement. Vote GOP all you want. They just have a long history of selling contact info to for-profit entities. Use email forwarding again for political activities.
31. Don’t use SiriusXM
32. Don’t use Waze or Google Maps
33. Don’t use loyalty cards at stores
34. Don’t use Uber, DoorDash, Instacart, Yelp, etc. or consider their intrusive policies
35. Don’t use trip advisor or other travel sites or consider their policies
36. Don’t participate in your car insurances OBDII dongle nonsense. That literally is a tracker
37. Don’t ever stay in a no-name hotel or Airbnb.
38. Monitor and or lock your credit report
39. Use Apple Pay or at least a chip card or cash
40. Never write a check
41. Don’t participate in surveys
42. Don’t respond to sweepstakes or other junk mail.
43. Don’t take online quizzes or follow clickbate. These exist for a reason, and your amusement isn’t it.
44. Never log into YouTube.
45. Routinely run a security report on your phone.
46. Never leave apps running in the background
47. Never install Facebook or any other social media app on your phone
48. Don’t post things to Internet forums. Especially anything identifiable
49. Don’t use DNA testing services
50. Don’t participate in health insurance or employer wellness programs.
51. Don’t use public WiFi or use it with a VPN
52. Don’t connect to unknown networks. Turn off auto connection to available WiFi.
53. Don’t go near anyone who hasn’t done the same things. You’re only as secure as the least secure person you’re in proximity of.
54. Don’t got near anything with a camera, like roads, intersections, storefronts, front doors, interstates, etc.

The last two are jokes. But seriously, there are cameras everywhere and many are recording. Other peoples lack of security will also affect you, whether it’s someone’s compromised device joining your WiFi network or a friend telling you about something they saw or read on the internet that is a function of whatever disinformation a series of algorithms has made available or (now with AI) produced for them.

 

[Mtpisgah]

They advertise Jeeps with trail rated badges to be able to overcome several different types of off-road challenges, and it would be false advertising if they did not warranty the vehicle for simply doing what they show in their advertising.

Where things get gray are when you add much larger tires and lifts that cause excess strain on components, hitting certain obstacles/rocks that cause impact damage to the vehicle components, mud bogging, or if you participate in off-road "competitions" which isn't well defined.

I think a lot of it is just being smart while off-roading and knowing that yeah, sometimes things will break and it is your fault, and sometimes it's something that should be warrantied and you might have to fight the dealership a bit if they try to deny coverage.

After I broke my axle shaft offroad, I did not even bother taking it to the dealer. I knew they would deny the warranty for it, and rightly so with the way it was modded.

 

[ecidiego]

this isn’t a “scare tactic”

this is a fact. Reread what I wrote.

Jeep has and will again deny claims if physical abuse on or off road is detected.

Of course physical abuse would result in a denial.... that has nothing to do with on or off road though.

 

[BlackRuby23]

Uses a smartphone connected to WiFi to connect through an ISP to use Google to search for a forum to post about the privacy concerns of Stellantis/XMSirius sending mileage telemetry to your Mopar account.

This is a strawman argument of sorts. There is very little truth to the statement, other than I am using an ISP (not mine). I am on a laptop. Further, I am strictly talking about MY JEEP. It would not matter if I wanted every other thing in my life to track me, I am talking about MY JEEP. Thank you.

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