Limited Options Available for 2022??

[Rahkmalla]

They say below invoice but I’m sure it’s MSRP, this seems to be a common misconception on here, invoice is what the dealership gets it at

I saw my invoice. My sale price was 3% below that. Why are you so sure about something you aren't involved in? There are numerous dealers advertising below invoice, and tons of people whove taken advantage of these deals on these forums. TONS of personal experience and yet you know what's going on. Everyone else has a misconception but you know what's up... sure.

Heres mine: MSRP 52,915. Invoice 50,564. Offer: 3% below invoice. Sales price 49,047

Please tell me what youre sure about and what misconceptions I'm victim to...

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[RMFSJT]

They say below invoice but I’m sure it’s MSRP, this seems to be a common misconception on here, invoice is what the dealership gets it at

No misconception you can buy from Gupton under invoice. Not the manufacturers suggested retail price commonly known as MSRP but under invoice.

 

[JET_83]

I saw my invoice. My sale price was 3% below that. Why are you so sure about something you aren't involved in? There are numerous dealers advertising below invoice, and tons of people whove taken advantage of these deals on these forums. TONS of personal experience and yet you know what's going on. Everyone else has a misconception but you know what's up... sure.

Heres mine: MSRP 52,915. Invoice 50,564. Offer: 3% below invoice. Sales price 49,047

Please tell me what youre sure about and what misconceptions I'm victim to...

Because invoice is what the dealer gets it at, what logical sense would it make for them to lose money

 

[Rahkmalla]

Because invoice is what the dealer gets it at, what logical sense would it make for them to lose money

Okay so since you know everything and again I'm victim to misconceptions, why don't you tell me about holdback, floor plan assistance, volume bonuses, allocation formulas, finance earnings, advertising assistance, doc fee, and dealer cash.

Dealers may pay invoice price for the cars, but the difference between invoice and msrp in no way encapsulates the entirety of their revenue on the vehicle. For example holdback is usually 3% of invoice. It's the amount the mnfr pays them after they sell their car. Each vehicle on the lot gets its own advertising money, and how the dealer uses (or doesn't use it) is up to them. Vehicles sold in under 90 days pay no floor plan interest, yet still get money from the mnfr to assist in paying for that interest. Dealer cash is like a rebate, but its for the dealer not the customer. It's the most rare form of dealer earning and probably doesn't apply to any model from any mnfr in current economic conditions, but no one can be sure of that. When you finance through the dealer, they get offered buy rates from banks, which is .5 to 1% lower than the rate they tell you they qualify for. The dealer gets that differential paid for the full term of the loan usually 90 days after you buy. Doc fee is pure profit. Sure in theory it is the money they use to pay their office staff, but what other business gets away with charging their customer a fee to pay their support staff? Dealers are also eligible for tiered bonuses based on sales volume. These bonuses ramp up, so the more you sell, the more you get per sale. And finally allocation formula is based on pervious sales, so having a high volume of easy to turn retail orders means they get a larger volume of cars from the mnfr to hold on their lit in future years. Full lots make money, empty lots don't so blowing out retail sales is good for future years inventory.

Or you know, you could just look at my sales price and realize it's 7.5% below msrp and 3% below invoice...

 

[Zybane]

Because invoice is what the dealer gets it at, what logical sense would it make for them to lose money

Invoice is not truly what the dealer pays the auto manufacturer. The dealer still makes money called the "holdback". The dealer also makes money from various processing fees, finance kickbacks, Tread-lightly program rebates and most people's trade-ins. So even at 6% below invoice, the dealer on average still makes money. Granted at 6% below invoice, it's not that much money.

It also benefits raw sales numbers and increases allocations.

So with my order, I get 6% below invoice as I'm using their sourced financing and tread lightly. I also get a $500 rebate from the manufacturer for military.

 

[JET_83]

I guess you don’t end up saving really anything after fees, but make a big deal about below invoice when you’re still getting screwed on the backend

 

[ShadowsPapa]

2023 will most likely hit the lots by July, since it’s not that far away you might be better off waiting

Hardly. For that to happen, 2022 production has to stop now - any orders not completed simply will never be completed. Since no dealer is saying 2022 can't be ordered, and because it takes days at each stage of the process - I strongly doubt you will be seeing 2023 Jeeps on the lots come July.
2022 is still the only year option to build on the consumer build site, and dealers can still order them.

I built a 2022 Overland fully loaded this AM and it never complained about any option at all.

Especially if the MY changeover so much earlier than last year is to add AEB in all models for compliance purposes like rumored.

It's required 'mid-2022' in Europe.
As far as the USA -
The installation of AEB is part of a voluntary commitment by 20 automakers to equip virtually all new passenger vehicles with low-speed AEB that includes forward collision warning by September 1, 2022.

Participating manufacturers
Audi, BMW, FCA US LLC, Ford, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Jaguar Land Rover, Kia,
Maserati, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Mitsubishi Motors, Nissan, Porsche, Subaru, Tesla Motors
Inc., Toyota, Volkswagen and Volvo Car USA – representing more than 99 percent of the U.S.
new-car market.
Details of the commitment
Participating automakers commit to make AEB standard on virtually all light-duty cars and
trucks with a gross vehicle weight of 8,500 lbs. or less no later than September 1, 2022, and on
virtually all trucks with a gross vehicle weight between 8,501 lbs. and 10,000 lbs. no later than
September 1, 2025.

 

[Mister Lamb]

I’ve also seen rumors of a $2k price increase, partially due to mandatory emergency braking system on the ‘23s. Totally hearsay, but sounds plausible.

Mandatory Emergency Braking System? Gosh I hate what this world is becoming. Sounds like I'll be getting a 2022 the latest

 

[Zybane]

I guess you don’t end up saving really anything after fees, but make a big deal about below invoice when you’re still getting screwed on the backend

Uh, no. My dealer admin fee is $599, which is less than 1% of invoice for my build. Still a smoking deal. And most dealers tack on admin/processing fees to "Regular" sales too.

 

[JET_83]

Hardly. For that to happen, 2022 production has to stop now - any orders not completed simply will never be completed. Since no dealer is saying 2022 can't be ordered, and because it takes days at each stage of the process - I strongly doubt you will be seeing 2023 Jeeps on the lots come July.
2022 is still the only year option to build on the consumer build site, and dealers can still order them.

I built a 2022 Overland fully loaded this AM and it never complained about any option at all.



It's required 'mid-2022' in Europe.
As far as the USA -
The installation of AEB is part of a voluntary commitment by 20 automakers to equip virtually all new passenger vehicles with low-speed AEB that includes forward collision warning by September 1, 2022.

Participating manufacturers
Audi, BMW, FCA US LLC, Ford, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Jaguar Land Rover, Kia,
Maserati, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Mitsubishi Motors, Nissan, Porsche, Subaru, Tesla Motors
Inc., Toyota, Volkswagen and Volvo Car USA – representing more than 99 percent of the U.S.
new-car market.
Details of the commitment
Participating automakers commit to make AEB standard on virtually all light-duty cars and
trucks with a gross vehicle weight of 8,500 lbs. or less no later than September 1, 2022, and on
virtually all trucks with a gross vehicle weight between 8,501 lbs. and 10,000 lbs. no later than
September 1, 2025.

They stopped in June last year

 

[JET_83]

Hardly. For that to happen, 2022 production has to stop now - any orders not completed simply will never be completed. Since no dealer is saying 2022 can't be ordered, and because it takes days at each stage of the process - I strongly doubt you will be seeing 2023 Jeeps on the lots come July.
2022 is still the only year option to build on the consumer build site, and dealers can still order them.

I built a 2022 Overland fully loaded this AM and it never complained about any option at all.



It's required 'mid-2022' in Europe.
As far as the USA -
The installation of AEB is part of a voluntary commitment by 20 automakers to equip virtually all new passenger vehicles with low-speed AEB that includes forward collision warning by September 1, 2022.

Participating manufacturers
Audi, BMW, FCA US LLC, Ford, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Jaguar Land Rover, Kia,
Maserati, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Mitsubishi Motors, Nissan, Porsche, Subaru, Tesla Motors
Inc., Toyota, Volkswagen and Volvo Car USA – representing more than 99 percent of the U.S.
new-car market.
Details of the commitment
Participating automakers commit to make AEB standard on virtually all light-duty cars and
trucks with a gross vehicle weight of 8,500 lbs. or less no later than September 1, 2022, and on
virtually all trucks with a gross vehicle weight between 8,501 lbs. and 10,000 lbs. no later than
September 1, 2025.

Orders would still be completed would just be 22 instead of 23

 

[Rahkmalla]

I guess you don’t end up saving really anything after fees, but make a big deal about below invoice when you’re still getting screwed on the backend

3% below invoice, 422 doc fee. That's 0.8% in fees at my dealer. I didn't finance, I wrote a check, so no backend to make money on.

Want one better? Granger. 4% below invoice, $180 doc fee. That would be 0.4% in fees on a glad like mine.

Just admit the truth, you're angry you paid full price and are lashing out against those that didn't by trying to pretend we're stupid for thinking we don't know how much we paid. We do. Also: you paid doc fee too on your probably over sticker gladiator.

Under invoice deals are real, stop strutting around like you're smarter than everyone.

 

[Geoarch]

I am trying to order a 2022 Max Tow, after my 2021 was just totaled in a hit and run. The dealer has told me that several options aren’t available, and likely reason is that Jeep is getting ready to switch from 22 to 23 production years. I have read about no black wheels with cold weather group, that doesn’t seem to be an issue on my build sheet. But no Led, headliner, spray in bedliner, black satin grill, or dual top.
Anyone have any insight? I’m eager to order my next gladiator, but maybe I should wait for 2023’s. Thoughts?

Given that mine was built six weeks ago and Jeep doesn’t know where it is, I’d wait until 23 and maybe Jeep will get their shit together.

 

[Geoarch]

Orders would still be completed would just be 22 instead of 23

And even though I didn’t order it they included that (AEB) on mine and charged me for it. But since Jeep has “lost” my JTR it will be someone else’s problem if they ever find it.

 

[Geoarch]

i dont understand why people are ordering Gladiators and waiting for months. There are 10+ gladiators sitting on 4 different dealer lots in 35 mile radius of my house.

I paid $56k for a well optioned White Rubi, sitting on dealer lot (i was fortunate enough to find one with a build date before the last price increase, so that contributed to the savings).

If you are looking at a premium color, Gobi, Sting Ray, Snazzberry then maybe you will want to go the ordering route. Other than that do some research (search on Autotrader) call a bunch of dealers and make a deal.

The price will continue to go up so I highly recommend not waiting.

We ordered to get the options we wanted. There are no MT JTRs anywhere in the Southwest as an example.

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