New bronco revealed

[Ichthus]

7500 lbs of towing capacity? That sounds like Ford fanboy hopes and dreams...the wheelbase would be terrible for that kind of weight, not to mention, that’s more than a Ranger, but this has to weigh more

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blah.. looks like a Ford Flex.

 

[lrtexasman]

7500 lbs of towing capacity? That sounds like Ford fanboy hopes and dreams...the wheelbase would be terrible for that kind of weight, not to mention, that’s more than a Ranger, but this has to weigh more

Not more than a Ranger. If you want to bag on somebody at least be right. You can always go to a manufacture’s website to find factual info as well.

 

[Pat2Alaska]

Not more than a Ranger. If you want to bag on somebody at least be right. You can always go to a manufacture’s website to find factual info as well.

4x2.......Gladiators aren’t 2 wheel drive!

 

[TennesseePA]

There is a group of Bronco fans having a fit they did not go with a SFA. They wanted the SFA for off road (crawling) usage and to directly challenge the Wrangler. For some, absent a SFA, they will not view the Bronco as a true challenger. I am more of an off-trail user (hunting, camping, towing boat, and everyday commuter) and I think Ford smartly choose to appeal to that crowd. When, and if, the Bronco truck comes out to challenge the JT, having the ability to beef-up the rear springs will be instrumental to me. An unforeseen weakness of the JT to me is the inability to beef up the rear suspension with stronger leaf packs and shocks to increase payload for overlanding or carrying a heavier payload.

I can say with 100% confidence that a solid from axle isn’t necessarily better than IFS. Go check out the videos of King of The Hammers and see what they are running. Pull up the specs and videos of every single modern tactical used in our Nation’s defense And you will find over and over that independent suspension, front and rear is taking over the off road world. Now I will readily admit that solid axles are cheaper to make work for rock crawling but in every other aspect independent suspension is as good or better than a solid axle setup. We won’t even bother to discuss what is better on the road.

 

[CMac]

Not more than a Ranger. If you want to bag on somebody at least be right. You can always go to a manufacture’s website to find factual info as well.

Just an unpolished turd, left to disintegrate while it floats in the punch bowl. No thanks.

 

[lrtexasman]

4x2.......Gladiators aren’t 2 wheel drive![/QUOTE

Actually all Rangers with a receiver can tow 7500 lbs regardless of trim or 2wd/4wd. Rangers with bumper hitch can only tow 3500lbs. Once again, feel free to check Ford website, lol.

 

[lrtexasman]

I can say with 100% confidence that a solid from axle isn’t necessarily better than IFS. Go check out the videos of King of The Hammers and see what they are running. Pull up the specs and videos of every single modern tactical used in our Nation’s defense And you will find over and over that independent suspension, front and rear is taking over the off road world. Now I will readily admit that solid axles are cheaper to make work for rock crawling but in every other aspect independent suspension is as good or better than a solid axle setup. We won’t even bother to discuss what is better on the road.

I agree 100%.

 

[hjdca]

I can say with 100% confidence that a solid from axle isn’t necessarily better than IFS. Go check out the videos of King of The Hammers and see what they are running. Pull up the specs and videos of every single modern tactical used in our Nation’s defense And you will find over and over that independent suspension, front and rear is taking over the off road world. Now I will readily admit that solid axles are cheaper to make work for rock crawling but in every other aspect independent suspension is as good or better than a solid axle setup. We won’t even bother to discuss what is better on the road.

SFA - Big Tires, Big Lift, Big Articulation, All wheels on the ground. Lots of traction...
IFS - Small Tires, Small Lift, Much Less Articulation - One wheel off the ground a lot. 1/4 of traction lost.

The Defender Video is a crack up when the one wheel in the air finally falls to the ground. Not really a fan.

 

[5JeepsAz]

Does towing capacity go lower with most options? Like 2 or 3 thousand pounds?

 

[Ichthus]

Not more than a Ranger. If you want to bag on somebody at least be right. You can always go to a manufacture’s website to find factual info as well.

Not more than a Ranger. If you want to bag on somebody at least be right. You can always go to a manufacture’s website to find factual info as well.

Wow, yeah, so sorry I didn’t want to spend an hour plucking around a Ford website to confirm that it’s exactly the same, assuming you properly equip your Ranger, so that I could properly site my sources in an approved Collegiate manner. What I was trying to get at is that the Bronco will be a heavier vehicle with a shorter wheelbase. Typically, the added weight decreases the payload or towing capacity while the shorter wheelbase simply makes it difficult and potentially stupid to tow heavy loads.

 

[velogeek]

SFA - Big Tires, Big Lift, Big Articulation, All wheels on the ground. Lots of traction...
IFS - Small Tires, Small Lift, Much Less Articulation - One wheel off the ground a lot. 1/4 of traction lost.

The Defender Video is a crack up when the one wheel in the air finally falls to the ground. Not really a fan.

I get that this is important to a lot of us but let's be completely serious here... the number of Jeep owners who actually need those large tires and articulation and use them to their potential are small and when you start talking brand new vehicles it gets considerably smaller. An IFS is more desirable in every scenario for a light vehicle that doesn't require that articulation which is why literally every other manufacturer has moved to it and why Jeep uses it on every vehicle that isn't a JL/JT.

Most are buying Jeeps because you can toss 35's on them and look rugged crawling around the mall. With those wheel openings, I'm fairly certain 35's are on the table for this Bronco with an off the shelf 2-3" lift and you'd still have better daily handling than a similar JLU. You murder any sense of droop with the lift and have no uptravel because of the tires but that means nothing when you look good cruising your local Applebees.

The Defender will basically serve as a more rugged competitor to the GX460. It's again just rugged image and nothing to do with actually using that capability.

 

[lrtexasman]

the JGC is rated to tow up to 7200lbs and from what I have read, it tows pretty well on a similar wheelbase, so it is possible for someone interested in a midsize SUV, which I am not (buying a truck). Just to avoid some confusion, I am not interested in the current gen Ranger, nor am I a Ford fan boy. I think the Gladiator is currently the best midsize truck for a multitude of reasons. I’d like a Gladiator but think FCA is hosing buyers by under equipping the trucks with standard electronics, hard top, and active safety equipment, as well excessively high surcharge for auto trans ( can’t even order a manual now so why the surcharge) and delivery. FCA needs to get their heads out of their rear before sales tank even worse. The Glad finished behind the Frontier on 4th Quarter sales.

If anything the new Silverado RST 4x4 1500 with the Duramax is the best bang for your buck (can buy under 40k) between midsize/full-size truck options. So feel free to color me a GM fanboy. Got over 250k off my Tahoe on the original power train and it still runs like a champ with the second owner.

 

[hjdca]

I get that this is important to a lot of us but let's be completely serious here... the number of Jeep owners who actually need those large tires and articulation and use them to their potential are small and when you start talking brand new vehicles it gets considerably smaller. An IFS is more desirable in every scenario for a light vehicle that doesn't require that articulation which is why literally every other manufacturer has moved to it and why Jeep uses it on every vehicle that isn't a JL/JT.

Most are buying Jeeps because you can toss 35's on them and look rugged crawling around the mall. With those wheel openings, I'm fairly certain 35's are on the table for this Bronco with an off the shelf 2-3" lift and you'd still have better daily handling than a similar JLU. You murder any sense of droop with the lift and have no uptravel because of the tires but that means nothing when you look good cruising your local Applebees.

The Defender will basically serve as a more rugged competitor to the GX460. It's again just rugged image and nothing to do with actually using that capability.

Yes, I understand.... Nobody wants their SUVs coming back with "loose steering" complaints from a SFA. I agree it makes sense for the mall crawler Defender..... but, for the Bronco, I expected a SFA to go against the Jeep and interest hard core enthusiasts.

 

[TennesseePA]

SFA - Big Tires, Big Lift, Big Articulation, All wheels on the ground. Lots of traction...
IFS - Small Tires, Small Lift, Much Less Articulation - One wheel off the ground a lot. 1/4 of traction lost.

The Defender Video is a crack up when the one wheel in the air finally falls to the ground. Not really a fan.

This is an outdated mentality from an outdated technology. Just a few years ago this was 100% correct but with the technology and metallurgy of 2020 it is no longer true. While rock crawling the most important suspension feature is not up travel but droop. The topside tire will remain in contact with the ground because it is stuffed but the bottom side must droop to remain in contact with the surface. This is difficult to overcome with yesterday's suspension technology because CV joint technology would not accommodate the extreme angles, but now it can. Like I said earlier if you can take and independently suspended Ultra 4 car in win KOH the technology has arrived and it will make the solid axle setup obsolete on all but the heavy duty platforms.

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