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[Chupacabraz]

So you just plug in the ECRI and ORP will show up?

If you upgrade to the 8.4" radio and activated the ORP feature with JSCAN or something else and ORP is working on the head unit, then plugging in the ECRI (or any other SGW bypass) will immediately give you working gauges.

When I ativated ORP with JSCAN, it took about 8 hours before it actually showed up on the head unit. I have been going for 4 days now with the ECRI SGW in place and the ORP gauges have worked perfectly since.

ECRI makes an SGW bypass and I guess a full programming tool more like a Tazer. I just have the ECRI SGW bypass so I can use JSCAN.

If your truck came with the 8.4" then it should just work, no ECRI or other voodoo needed.

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[Geoarch]

Word on the street is that ORP require a check-in with the mother ship once in a while to confirm your are entitled to it. Did you pull the battery when you did the winch? The radio can take up to 24 hours to re-learn all of the options from the vehicle. ORP is one one of the last things to come back in my experience.

Let it sit overnight before getting too worried about it.

You were right. It functioned fine this morning. Perhaps disconnecting the battery when I installed the winch was the culprit.

 

[Geoarch]

Did the head unit reset (lose power) while you were installing the winch? When it is reset, it can take up to 24 hours to return to normal operation. Drive it for a couple days and see if it goes back to normal.

Yeah when I disconnected the battery during winch installation. I worked fine this morning.

 

[Geoarch]

Do you have cellular signal? The good news is that it's all duplicated on the gauge cluster, if you scroll through. That will work no matter what cell reception is like. That one is built into the Jeep, it's not an app.

It was working fine this morning. Maybe due to disconnecting the batter cables when I installed the winch.

 

[tonywin]

Got a weird one here. So I had a mobile mechanic change my oil (it's already paid for, plus I have 5 free ones, and the tech has done my vehicles before so I know he's good). I forgot to take out my security bypass cables and he plugged in his OBD reader to get readings and make sure everything is good.

He completed the work and all is good. I take the truck out for a spin and my ORP is only showing oil pressure and voltage. The other gauges are lined out like I have my security bypass unplugged.

I replug all the cables without the security bypass, turn on the truck and let it on for a minute. Turn it off and unplug the cables and reinstall to the security bypass. Still missing 3 gauges.

I went back into Jscan, did all the activate ORP and reset the ECU's to make sure. Going to let it sit overnight and hopefully tomorrow the gauges will be live again.

Did I make a mistake not removing the security cables and back into the original ports before he used the OBD reader?

 

[Geoarch]

The off-road pages are vin locked. It's verified over the web every time you pull them up. You can use the ones on the instrument panel, but the ones on the 8.4" are OTA. Not sure it shows anything different though. Don't think so, other than coordinates.

It is the same and you can get Lat and Long through navigation pages.

 

[21Moja]

Got a weird one here. So I had a mobile mechanic change my oil (it's already paid for, plus I have 5 free ones, and the tech has done my vehicles before so I know he's good). I forgot to take out my security bypass cables and he plugged in his OBD reader to get readings and make sure everything is good.

He completed the work and all is good. I take the truck out for a spin and my ORP is only showing oil pressure and voltage. The other gauges are lined out like I have my security bypass unplugged.

I replug all the cables without the security bypass, turn on the truck and let it on for a minute. Turn it off and unplug the cables and reinstall to the security bypass. Still missing 3 gauges.

I went back into Jscan, did all the activate ORP and reset the ECU's to make sure. Going to let it sit overnight and hopefully tomorrow the gauges will be live again.

Did I make a mistake not removing the security cables and back into the original ports before he used the OBD reader?

I would completely disconnect the battery for awhile, then reconnect...Hopefully it comes back in about 24 hours

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Got a weird one here. So I had a mobile mechanic change my oil (it's already paid for, plus I have 5 free ones, and the tech has done my vehicles before so I know he's good). I forgot to take out my security bypass cables and he plugged in his OBD reader to get readings and make sure everything is good.

He completed the work and all is good. I take the truck out for a spin and my ORP is only showing oil pressure and voltage. The other gauges are lined out like I have my security bypass unplugged.

I replug all the cables without the security bypass, turn on the truck and let it on for a minute. Turn it off and unplug the cables and reinstall to the security bypass. Still missing 3 gauges.

I went back into Jscan, did all the activate ORP and reset the ECU's to make sure. Going to let it sit overnight and hopefully tomorrow the gauges will be live again.

Did I make a mistake not removing the security cables and back into the original ports before he used the OBD reader?

No. A reader won't have any impact.

 

[tonywin]

I would completely disconnect the battery for awhile, then reconnect...Hopefully it comes back in about 24 hours

I let it sit overnight and it worked again this morning. Thanks!

 

[Sank]

That's bizarre. Why does it have to communicate to Mars just to see your oil pressure?

Yeah this whole idea irks me. What do we do when cell providers discontinue 4g? Or fca stops paying the cell subscription? I bought orp and if it stops working down the road, through no fault of the consumer, I'll be upset.

Interested in removing the cell antenna now and see what "breaks". But that's another topic.

 

[Mr._Bill]

Yeah this whole idea irks me. What do we do when cell providers discontinue 4g? Or fca stops paying the cell subscription? I bought orp and if it stops working down the road, through no fault of the consumer, I'll be upset.

Interested in removing the cell antenna now and see what "breaks". But that's another topic.

If you remove the cellular antenna, then all the remote functions (if you subscribe to them) will stop working. The head unit will no longer be able to communicate with FCA to confirm authorization for ORP, so those will disappear from the screen. It will no longer be able to receive OTA updates (if any are ever sent). It will also no longer be able to send the status updates that show in the Uconnect App. There is also the possibility that the cellular transceiver could be damaged by trying to operate with no load (antenna) on it.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Yeah this whole idea irks me. What do we do when cell providers discontinue 4g? Or fca stops paying the cell subscription? I bought orp and if it stops working down the road, through no fault of the consumer, I'll be upset.

Interested in removing the cell antenna now and see what "breaks". But that's another topic.

Welcome to the future - some cars now you must pay a yearly fee or a subscription to have heated seats or certain other features? Yup - things will work for a while, then stop, unless you keep paying.

Example from CR -

In December of 2021, automotive news site The Drive found that Toyota would start requiring the owners of some 2018-or-later vehicles to subscribe to one of Toyota’s Connected Services plans in order to use a remote start function on a vehicle’s keyfob. The feature was previously available free of charge. Toyota spokesperson Corey Proffitt told CR that the company made the change because a redesigned infotainment setup introduced in 2018 tied remote start in with other functions that require a subscription, such as internet connectivity and remote vehicle diagnostics.

So - we can look to Jeep to do similar, I'd bet.

 

[Sank]

If you remove the cellular antenna, then all the remote functions (if you subscribe to them) will stop working. The head unit will no longer be able to communicate with FCA to confirm authorization for ORP, so those will disappear from the screen. It will no longer be able to receive OTA updates (if any are ever sent). It will also no longer be able to send the status updates that show in the Uconnect App. There is also the possibility that the cellular transceiver could be damaged by trying to operate with no load (antenna) on it.

Thanks Mr Bill and Papa, for the specific confirmation (i bolded in your quote). In general, I understand, but I don't agree with them philosophically. I don't financially subscribe to remote features, so i think the only feature I'd lose is ORP. Also, I can terminate the antenna port, I do know RF.

The philosophical problem is, it's a Rubicon. It should not require any communications to mama to know what truck it is and turn on the ORP...a feature that doesn't have any inherent natural need to communicate (unlike traffic, for example). Oil pressure and oil temp? Super basic. Boggling why they decided to make that a cell phone locked feature and not just factory setitandforgetit.

The only thing i thought i read earlier is that somebody doesn't have a cell antenna hooked up and that person still somehow gets the ORP to show up after a few minutes. Was hoping there was some kind of timeout in our favor.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The philosophical problem is, it's a Rubicon. It should not require any communications to mama to know what truck it is and turn on the ORP...a feature that doesn't have any inherent natural need to communicate (unlike traffic, for example). Oil pressure and oil temp? Super basic. Boggling why they decided to make that a cell phone locked feature and not just factory setitandforgetit.

The only thing i thought i read earlier is that somebody doesn't have a cell antenna hooked up and that person still somehow gets the ORP to show up after a few minutes. Was hoping there was some kind of timeout in our favor.

100%
You buy a vehicle with expectations based on their marketing, demonstrations, literature, owners manual and more. Rubicon and Mojave of all of these should have that no matter what, but then Sport max tow and others should have that as well as it's a good indicator of various temperatures, your angles if towing and more.

I drag the ORP icon to the lower menu, the quick access area and if my truck can't call the mother ship within a certain time, that icon disappears and the default icons for HVAC and "controls" pop back. I don't want controls there as these have that in the center cluster. Why would I want an icon to open controls and then press yet another to turn on or off the heated seats? That's two steps instead of the physical button.
So this past weekend, I started the truck, made sure it could see the sky and dragged icons back again.
There should be something in the POST process or an autoexec or config.sys file that says "this VIN came with it - show it" before I even put the thing in drive and press the gas.
There's menus in the BCM and other modules that contain information like it has this or it has that - why not in there? The POST (power-on self test) should know what it's got. They make it hard to change these things post-sale as it is, why not hard-code that right into the startup and know it's there from the factory?
I can see a bit of a tussle for those adding it later - maybe - but for those who bought it that way?

 

[Sank]

yeah i drag the icon back on occasion too. Too frequently.

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