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[Texbaz]

Thought this was kinda sad, but just goes to show people love their Jeeps.

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[Jteakus]

The mechanic is speaking the truth.
I wonder how much the customer got dinged on the trade in?

 

[Texbaz]

I'm sure they hit them hard. That cam was toast along with the lifters. If I was having this done I'd think about at least looking, at the other side.

But the customer must truly love the wrangler platform. Nothing wrong with that.

PHAD, I've been watching many of his videos over the years. He is good tries to make repairs, without shotgunning parts.

I recommend his channel.

 

[Sw00per]

The mechanic is speaking the truth.
I wonder how much the customer got dinged on the trade in?

I feel sorry for the person who buys it form the dealer Great Deal - "as is".

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Thought this was kinda sad, but just goes to show people love their Jeeps.

Isn't that the same video posted in another thread about oils?

5 Jeeps with the PUG - never a click or rattle or any engine issues.

 

[Texbaz]

Isn't that the same video posted in another thread about oils?

5 Jeeps with the PUG - never a click or rattle or any engine issues.

I don't know. the youtube video is only 17 hours old and when I posted it was much less than that. I haven't been following all the oil post.

 

[BillyP]

I’m with the mechanic. I can’t believe there hasn’t been a class action lawsuit on this. There is obviously a problem with this set up. At least have replacement parts available.
Curious, was the older 3.6 engines doing the same thing? I had a 2013 JKUR with the 3.6 that had 117,000 miles on it when it got totaled in a head on collision. The only problem I had with it was the plastic oil filter housing cracking, which sadly was normal.
I’m just praying my 3.6 lasts long enough for me to get the cash together for the V8 swap. I have 74,000 miles on it. I have the extended warranty, but that doesn’t matter without being able to get the parts to repair it.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I’m with the mechanic. I can’t believe there hasn’t been a class action lawsuit on this. There is obviously a problem with this set up. At least have replacement parts available.
Curious, was the older 3.6 engines doing the same thing? I had a 2013 JKUR with the 3.6 that had 117,000 miles on it when it got totaled in a head on collision. The only problem I had with it was the plastic oil filter housing cracking, which sadly was normal.
I’m just praying my 3.6 lasts long enough for me to get the cash together for the V8 swap. I have 74,000 miles on it. I have the extended warranty, but that doesn’t matter without being able to get the parts to repair it.

You can't compare the two valve trains.
There is a law suite, but they (those writing up the claims) are idiots lumping the gen 1 with the PUG when while the results are similar, the failed parts are different and different causes.

I don't know. the youtube video is only 17 hours old and when I posted it was much less than that. I haven't been following all the oil post.

It was only a couple hours or so old when posted in the other thread.

 

[BillyP]

You can't compare the two valve trains.
There is a law suite, but they (those writing up the claims) are idiots lumping the gen 1 with the PUG when while the results are similar, the failed parts are different and different causes.


It was only a couple hours or so old when posted in the other thread.

Thanks, I didn’t know that. Too bad they lumped them together. That’ll definitely make it harder to win. I didn’t know the gen 1 was having problems too, except for the oil filter unit.

 

[Verne]

Maybe they don't want to resolve this issue? Maybe this is how they sell more new jeeps

 

[Texbaz]

It was only a couple hours or so old when posted in the other thread.

Who cares when I posted. My reason for posting was to highlight customer loyalty and how even with such a dire situation like not parts availability they still purchased another jeep.

Never mention oil in my post. Never saw another post containing a link to the video.

 

[Blade1668]

With the percentage of failures vs fairly problem free numbers it is certainly low. But when it happens it draws in people like moths to a fire.

Who cares when I posted. My reason for posting was to highlight customer loyalty and how even with such a dire situation like not parts availability they still purchased another jeep.

Never mention oil in my post. Never saw another post containing a link to the video.

No animosity at you or for posting it. I'd like to see the actual stats of failures and numbers produced along with average miles without failures.

Something on the ones that have failed needs to be traced down. Including full teardown of engine, parts tracing, oil changes, how the vehicle was ran. I known I try to keep mine in lower RPMS and don't flog it like a rental. I don't like having to buy another vehicle often and want to drive the #### out of them for miles and years. My 2020 is over 100k now, and I've spent more on oil analysis than on the oil changes. That latter part could be "part of the problem" the failed have. The oil change, filter and type of oil used? "Shady Jake's oil change shop" using the 0W-20 from brand X that is used in everything and said to be 0W-20 oil or whatever the vehicle should use. In my "few" years of driving, I've seen several places that I wouldn't trust them to add windshield solvent in my vehicle. On a few occasions I have been needing to get oil change done and on a tight time schedule. I was "burned" by the places, from stripping drain plug off, to actual not changing the oil or filter. (Something I miss on external oil filter I write mileage and date on it). This is why I always want to observe work being done on my vehicles. That said, I spent 2 hours this morning removing lug nuts on front tires of my Gladiator because where I had tires rotation and balances done screw them up using wrong size socket and impact gun.

 

[BillyP]

With the percentage of failures vs fairly problem free numbers it is certainly low. But when it happens it draws in people like moths to a fire.

No animosity at you or for posting it. I'd like to see the actual stats of failures and numbers produced along with average miles without failures.

Something on the ones that have failed needs to be traced down. Including full teardown of engine, parts tracing, oil changes, how the vehicle was ran. I known I try to keep mine in lower RPMS and don't flog it like a rental. I don't like having to buy another vehicle often and want to drive the #### out of them for miles and years. My 2020 is over 100k now, and I've spent more on oil analysis than on the oil changes. That latter part could be "part of the problem" the failed have. The oil change, filter and type of oil used? "Shady Jake's oil change shop" using the 0W-20 from brand X that is used in everything and said to be 0W-20 oil or whatever the vehicle should use. In my "few" years of driving, I've seen several places that I wouldn't trust them to add windshield solvent in my vehicle. On a few occasions I have been needing to get oil change done and on a tight time schedule. I was "burned" by the places, from stripping drain plug off, to actual not changing the oil or filter. (Something I miss on external oil filter I write mileage and date on it). This is why I always want to observe work being done on my vehicles. That said, I spent 2 hours this morning removing lug nuts on front tires of my Gladiator because where I had tires rotation and balances done screw them up using wrong size socket and impact gun.

I’m with you on not trying to cause problems, or animosity. If I’m not mistaken in the video when he tried to order a cam there were 12,000 on back order. That sounds like a LOT more than just a few percent that are failing. Even taking into account how many they would order to have in supply inventory, that’s still a LOT of cam failures.

 

[Hootbro]

I wonder what kind of bath the owner took on that trade in? That went straight to auction as is.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If I’m not mistaken in the video when he tried to order a cam there were 12,000 on back order. That sounds like a LOT more than just a few percent that are failing. Even taking into account how many they would order to have in supply inventory, that’s still a LOT of cam failures.

In numbers, yes, but as a percentage of engines sold - no, a drop in the bucket.
Well over 10 million (10,000,000) have been made- in fact that number goes back to 2019. So take that out forward to today, you can bet 15,000,000. If half of those are the PUG, that's 7,500,000

The numbers are large due to the sheer volume of these engines sold over the last almost 10 years. Grand Cherokee, Durango, Ram, JL, JT and others, including vans and more.
We may be talking under 0.5% or less than half of 1 percent.

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