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Unless you own it out right then you can do what you want with it. If you have a note on it or it's collateral in a loan then it would be insurance fraud. If you just got a personal loan and bought it then you can strip it down.
Who you owe the money to has nothing to do with it. It’s insurance period if you take parts off of it after they've totaled it and assessed the value.
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some companies dont care when the vehicle is totaled. some do. talk to your insurance adjuster and theyll tell you if its okay or not.
When was the last time an insurance adjuster said that on a late model vehicle? I ask because it doesn’t happen.
 

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Who you owe the money to has nothing to do with it. It’s insurance period if you take parts off of it after they've totaled it and assessed the value.
If you own the vehicle it's yours and then you keep the vehicle that's what I was saying. If you don't they pay it off and take the vehicle. I was just saying if it's being used as collateral then insurance normally takes the vehicle but if you not you keep it. Sometimes they will deduct the salvaged amount out of the check they cut you for the vehicle and sometimes they just let you keep it. When our 2009 BMW 328i got totaked they cut us a check and I negotiated the salvaged price down to $400 so I kept the vehicle and sold it to a buddy who rebuilt it into a track car for drifting. That's the way it's always been for us. I know it sounds crazy but in the past 15yrs we have had 7 totaled vehicles plus my wife was a insurance adjuster for Allstate for 12yrs when we 1st got married.
 

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If you own the vehicle it's yours and then you keep the vehicle that's what I was saying. If you don't they pay it off and take the vehicle. I was just saying if it's being used as collateral then insurance normally takes the vehicle but if you not you keep it. Sometimes they will deduct the salvaged amount out of the check they cut you for the vehicle and sometimes they just let you keep it. When our 2009 BMW 328i got totaked they cut us a check and I negotiated the salvaged price down to $400 so I kept the vehicle and sold it to a buddy who rebuilt it into a track car for drifting. That's the way it's always been for us. I know it sounds crazy but in the past 15yrs we have had 7 totaled vehicles plus my wife was a insurance adjuster for Allstate for 12yrs when we 1st got married.
I worked for USAA for a while when I lived in CO.

Yeah, I bought my 96 XJ back when it was totaled. $500 or something like that. It still drove ok after I put a radiator in it and an alignment and they made a non airbag blank for the steering wheel. 4lo and a tow strap straightened out the front end enough that it didn’t look obviously wrecked from a distance. My brother in law was a fishing guide and he used it for years after that. I sold it to him for what I bought it back for. That XJ always was a POS since new, but it was the best $500 car he ever had, just while piston slapping away and burning oil and sometimes starting in neutral or tapping on the starter with a hammer.
 

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When was the last time an insurance adjuster said that on a late model vehicle? I ask because it hasn't happened to me.
there ya go, i corrected it for you.

is this really worth all the back and forth over folks? seriously. Glad the OP is okay and its possible, if not likely, they will end up with a new jeep in the future. Should be a happy ending to a sad start.
 

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there ya go, i corrected it for you.

is this really worth all the back and forth over folks? seriously. Glad the OP is okay and its possible, if not likely, they will end up with a new jeep in the future. Should be a happy ending to a sad start.
No. because I worked for major insurance company and dealt with it daily. Stop making assumptions.
 

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No. because I worked for major insurance company and dealt with it daily. Stop making assumptions.
here is a happy cookie as a congratulations. Im dont wasting my time with this conversation.

 

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here is a happy cookie as a congratulations. Im dont wasting my time with this conversation.

No worries dude. I just wish someone didn’t post that horrible advice. I don’t even remember who posted it. It’s a good way for someone to get themselves in a lot of trouble.
 

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Wow, what's up with these things getting hit when they are so young? Glad no serious injuries and all are ok but......... that poor truck.

A totaled vehicle does just end up in the crusher. Insurance gets paid by a scrap yard and depending on the scrap yard it gets parted out a la pullapart or just crushed.
No, they' don't always get crushed. They often get sold. COPART here got my father's totaled Ranger. It sold. It may go to some place like Sam's where it will be rebuilt, given a salvage title and be sold. An insurance company may total it based on economics where a private party can fix it up with used parts and their own labor and drive it. There's a company here that buys just such vehicles.
There's a whole lot of vehicles sitting in COPART's lot that get auctioned - some get rebuilt, some get scrapped. They don't all get crushed.

What do you all think, is it fixable or write off? Looks like frame damage.
Always take 'em to a pro, never go by internet "I bet you can fix it" comments. No one can see in pictures what a pro knows to look for and could see personally.
It seems to be the thing to ask "can this be fixed or is it totaled" but that's like asking a doctor over the phone if your sore throat is cancer or covid or a common cold or allergies.
Don't guess, don't speculate - get it looked over thoroughly by a pro. No one can tell you by pictures.
I've seen engine mounts sheered, I've seen transmission cases cracked, and more. My own Ford truck had a steering knuckle bent but you couldn't tell by looking and the body had very little damage. It was the sideways impact that did it. Heavy parts want to stay still, tires grip the concrete, things bend and crack that you can't see in photos.
 

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Im certainly no expert but that does look like it may be frame damage, combined with a strike hard enough to deploy air bags. You insurance may write it off. If they do Id try to strip it for anything with resale value before they do.

painted fenders
Hardtop
LED lights?
perhaps the radio
Ect.

gut that thing like your one of the sand people from starwars.
No way! The company owns that thing lock, stock and barrel once they pay you. And if they send an adjuster out, evaluate it and you strip it later you are in trouble. They are writing the check based on what the adjuster sees. If you change it after it's seen - it's trouble.
They buy the truck from you with the settlement check. You give them the title. They are buying the whole thing as seen by their adjuster.

I've been this route more than once and my brother worked in the insurance industry for years. Once they have seen it, you can't take so much as the spare tire - it's theirs. Doesn't matter if you paid cash or have a loan on it or whatever.
Any OEM stuff they own. If you have any upgrades covered (say you added a tonneau cover) it's theirs.
I couldn't even remove anything other than personal items from Dad's Ranger - a guy watched me and had to look at what I removed from the truck. I could not remove anything that was "attached or connected". It was sitting at the COPART yard - the insurance company had not settled yet.

I once asked about the full-size spare I had in an AMX that was totaled - sorry, it belongs to the insurance company.

You take a part off once they have seen it, it's theft or fraud.
If you take it off BEFORE they see it, they'll deduct for the missing parts.

They won't eat it - you will.
 

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Who you owe the money to has nothing to do with it. It’s insurance period if you take parts off of it after they've totaled it and assessed the value.
Of course. Thx for beating me to it.
 

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Of course. Thx for beating me to it.
I apologize. I shouldn’t make snide comments. I don’t like it when they’re directed at me, so my bad. Long day, and frustrated for no good reason.

OP, very sorry to hear about your accident. I hope the insurance process goes smoothly.
 

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No way! The company owns that thing lock, stock and barrel once they pay you. And if they send an adjuster out, evaluate it and you strip it later you are in trouble. They are writing the check based on what the adjuster sees. If you change it after it's seen - it's trouble.
They buy the truck from you with the settlement check. You give them the title. They are buying the whole thing as seen by their adjuster.

I've been this route more than once and my brother worked in the insurance industry for years. Once they have seen it, you can't take so much as the spare tire - it's theirs. Doesn't matter if you paid cash or have a loan on it or whatever.
Any OEM stuff they own. If you have any upgrades covered (say you added a tonneau cover) it's theirs.
I couldn't even remove anything other than personal items from Dad's Ranger - a guy watched me and had to look at what I removed from the truck. I could not remove anything that was "attached or connected". It was sitting at the COPART yard - the insurance company had not settled yet.

I once asked about the full-size spare I had in an AMX that was totaled - sorry, it belongs to the insurance company.

You take a part off once they have seen it, it's theft or fraud.
If you take it off BEFORE they see it, they'll deduct for the missing parts.

They won't eat it - you will.

Seems to me this could depend on if they have non-OEM part coverage that so many companies like to do for Jeep's. Both of mine offered to cover the non-OEM add-ons in an accident. If they aren't covering that aftermarket OEM steel bumper or didn't give you credit for the aftermarket additions, all you have to do is return it to driveability as long as those aftermarket parts weren't financed as part of the vehicle. If they don't credit you for that bumper in one way or another and you didn't finance it (aka it's collateralized), it's yours.
 

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My opinion, get a fresh new gladiator. That gladiator frame and other parts are compromised due to the hard impact. Motor misaligned, broken internals that can’t be diagnose visually. Again I’m not an expert in car damages just my thoughts.
 

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Seems to me this could depend on if they have non-OEM part coverage that so many companies like to do for Jeep's. Both of mine offered to cover the non-OEM add-ons in an accident. If they aren't covering that aftermarket OEM steel bumper or didn't give you credit for the aftermarket additions, all you have to do is return it to driveability as long as those aftermarket parts weren't financed as part of the vehicle. If they don't credit you for that bumper in one way or another and you didn't finance it (aka it's collateralized), it's yours.
Yeah, that's why I even said "if you have upgrades covered" meaning parts like I have added.
(this, for example, if someone ADDED a cover and their policy covered it)
If you have any upgrades covered (say you added a tonneau cover) it's theirs.
Some policies do not cover such additions or "improvements" while others do to a specific dollar amount like they might cover $500 of added parts and/or you can have a higher dollar amount covered via rider - all I had to do was take photos of my changed parts, list them and send the list and pictures to my agent.

Still, it depends on if they saw it with the upgrades if you are not covered for them.
A person needs to check their policy and not just start yanking parts. If I had gone in and taken off the running boards, added lighting and other stuff I had put on my WJ - they'd have had a fit because I got paid more because I had all that stuff. They owned it.
In the case of my WJ - they SAW the upgrades - running boards and other accessories and paid added value.

If you have different bumpers and other such parts and got paid based on the truck's value as it was bought and not more based on the accessories, whatever your policy does, then put the stock stuff back.
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