Selec-Trac, Front Camera - Not available for ordering

[GladLad]

Trying to order a Gladiator Mojave and Selec-Trac and Front Camera are not currently available. They're still on the Jeep.com build site, but apparently at least Selec-Trac hasn't been available for a while now. Not sure if other visible items can't be ordered, but heads up to anyone else planning on spending 2 months researching their build choices and becoming completely married to each option.

I had heard the safety packages weren't available for ordering, and it makes sense since they're not on the Jeep site for building. But even those I think I've heard people able to order, but I'm not particularly interested.

I'm tempted to wait, but there's no way to know when they'll become available, and I doubt they'll have the $3-5k incentives going on right now. If 2024 models are coming soon, there will probably a price increase and with loss of incentive who knows if it'd end up being $8k more.

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[GladLad]

Front camera is available after all, it becomes unavailable if Dual Top group is selected.

Rollup tonneau is also not compatible with Dual Top, and can only be ordered with soft top. Don't ask why, I know I've seen it on the lot with hard tops.

Selec-Trac is unavailable outright at the moment though.

Fyi for anyone ordering through dealer, if an option isn't available it might just be because of another choice, even if that choice is allowed on jeep.com.

Odd, because when building on jeep.com, there were many instances of being forced into options because of another selection. When it comes time to order, they apparently don't want my money.

 

[scotman623]

I have been researching and getting ready to place an order on a 23 Gladiator Rubicon.. I’m wondering if I should just wait for the 24 at this point.. I have also been searching for a 23 on a dealer lot that is close to my build spec to buy.. Best of luck with your order my friend, thanks for the information..

 

[Madtom]

Trying to order a Gladiator Mojave and Selec-Trac and Front Camera are not currently available. They're still on the Jeep.com build site, but apparently at least Selec-Trac hasn't been available for a while now. Not sure if other visible items can't be ordered, but heads up to anyone else planning on spending 2 months researching their build choices and becoming completely married to each option.

I had heard the safety packages weren't available for ordering, and it makes sense since they're not on the Jeep site for building. But even those I think I've heard people able to order, but I'm not particularly interested.

I'm tempted to wait, but there's no way to know when they'll become available, and I doubt they'll have the $3-5k incentives going on right now. If 2024 models are coming soon, there will probably a price increase and with loss of incentive who knows if it'd end up being $8k more.

dont know if it is the model that restricts some of the combos you mentioned.

I placed order on 3/8 which went to D1 this weekend for a ED Rubicon..... has front camera(had to get LED lighting for this option), dual top and trifold cover. I also have blind spot monitoring(which also required LED lighting as system is mounted in LED taillamp). Safety packages were not available on jeep.com build site but at dealership it was available to add.

talk/contact dealerships here on the forum ie.... Gupton, Koons, etc or your local CDJR dealership and tell them what you want and they can tell you what options are actually available for order submission.

not sure why dealership wouldn't allow ordering of different cover unless there is a supply chain issue. I know that was an issue last year for a large number of items.

 

[GladLad]

dont know if it is the model that restricts some of the combos you mentioned.

I placed order on 3/8 which went to D1 this weekend for a ED Rubicon..... has front camera(had to get LED lighting for this option), dual top and trifold cover. I also have blind spot monitoring(which also required LED lighting as system is mounted in LED taillamp). Safety packages were not available on jeep.com build site but at dealership it was available to add.

talk/contact dealerships here on the forum ie.... Gupton, Koons, etc or your local CDJR dealership and tell them what you want and they can tell you what options are actually available for order submission.

not sure why dealership wouldn't allow ordering of different cover unless there is a supply chain issue. I know that was an issue last year for a large number of items.

I wondered if trim might play a role as well, but have already decided Mojave and need to order soon. Too indecisive to go changing thoughts now. Unless Selec-Trac were available, then I might consider.

That just makes it more lunacy that Rubicon can get camera and dual top. I see you got tri-fold, which I could with dual too, but not the rollup. I'll just get it separate or aftermarket, as that's no problem. Only loss is the cheapness of getting dual top at once vs later, unless I go used.

If anyone in MI is ordering soon and doesn't want a premium soft top, hit me up and I'll take it off your hands if you get dual.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Rollup tonneau is also not compatible with Dual Top, and can only be ordered with soft top. Don't ask why, I know I've seen it on the lot with hard tops.

WHO is telling you that bull crap?
LOL - it's on many thousands of JTs since day one.
Someone is pulling your leg or you are listening to idiots.
And don't go by that stupid "build and price" site. It's wrong so often it should be called "oftenwrong.com"
Sometimes new sales people mess up, too.
How can a roll-up bed cover have anything to do with a roof? If anything, it would be MORE compatible with a hard top. The cover bolts to the front end of the bed and never touches a roof of any sort.

I have owned TWO Gladiators with hard top and roll up cover. I still own one of them. Almost every JT I see has a hard top and rollup tonneau. My current JT was built June 2022. My first one was built November 2019.

Stop going by the jeep dot come site. Talk to a dealer who has experience. Consumer sites don't always keep up.

There's also a possibility that there are limited supplies of certain parts so they are putting them in specific packages, but the tonneau cover makes zero sense. More likely is that they are running out.
And Jeep ain't the only one. There are shortages and supply issues with all makes and models.

 

[GladLad]

WHO is telling you that bull crap?
LOL - it's on many thousands of JTs since day one.
Someone is pulling your leg or you are listening to idiots.
And don't go by that stupid "build and price" site. It's wrong so often it should be called "oftenwrong.com"
Sometimes new sales people mess up, too.
How can a roll-up bed cover have anything to do with a roof? If anything, it would be MORE compatible with a hard top. The cover bolts to the front end of the bed and never touches a roof of any sort.

I have owned TWO Gladiators with hard top and roll up cover. I still own one of them. Almost every JT I see has a hard top and rollup tonneau. My current JT was built June 2022. My first one was built November 2019.

Stop going by the jeep dot come site. Talk to a dealer who has experience. Consumer sites don't always keep up.

There's also a possibility that there are limited supplies of certain parts so they are putting them in specific packages, but the tonneau cover makes zero sense. More likely is that they are running out.
And Jeep ain't the only one. There are shortages and supply issues with all makes and models.

Tell me about it, preaching to the choir here, it is bs. I've seen the rollup on hard top Mojaves and others on the lot.

I've talked to dealers and watched some options gray-out on the dealer screen in person. Select dual top, and then camera, rollup and many other options gray-out. I didn't personally see rollup disappear when choosing hard top as I didn't have them play with every option, but I learned that to be the case later while discussing.

Edit: and like Madtom's experience suggests, it might be even unnecessarily related to the trim you start with.

If it's supply chain issue they have a weird way of getting around it; by limiting what it goes with instead of first-come-first-serve, or just occasionally stop offering it.

The jeep site is definitely wrong too, because the safety packages aren't there, but are available to order through dealers. Some things are right though, like forcing a tonneau if you get dual top. Or forcing LED if you get camera. Or making it only possible to order either dual top or dual door, but not both.

If we could play with the dealer order it'd be a lot more accurate, even if still hogwash on what combos are not allowed.

 

[GladLad]

Verified that Rock-Trac (selec-trac for rubis) is available to order on the Rubicon. Which means it's specifically the Mojave (or maybe other models) that for some reason has Selec-trac unavailable to order.

Shortage, and they're limiting buyers by preventing a specific trim from having it? Frustration, and they're taking it out on Mojave buyers? Unintentional, and they still haven't fixed the order system for months? Now standard on Mojave, and they just haven't told anyone?

I don't know why it's not available, but considering it is currently available to order on other trims and has been on the Mojave before, it doesn't seem logical.

Who ya gotta call to get the order system altered?

 

[ecidiego]

Somethings are probably harness combos. Example:

LED lighting required with Front Trailcam

The two have nothing to do with each other. I added the factory trailcam when I still had halogens. However - I had to add the power wire, CVPM harness, and coaxial video cables.

LED Lighting Group has a different harness as well compared to my harness - it has "fault sense wires" that go to the DRLs. These are in place of side marker control wires that halogens have. I assume they make these "must get this to get this" to cut down harness combos. This way only 1 harness has the front camera stuff which also happens to have the fault sense wires for LEDs. If they didn't make you order LEDs, they'd need two separate harnesses with the trailcam wires.

 

[GladLad]

Somethings are probably harness combos. Example:

LED lighting required with Front Trailcam

The two have nothing to do with each other. I added the factory trailcam when I still had halogens. However - I had to add the power wire, CVPM harness, and coaxial video cables.

LED Lighting Group has a different harness as well compared to my harness - it has "fault sense wires" that go to the DRLs. These are in place of side marker control wires that halogens have. I assume they make these "must get this to get this" to cut down harness combos. This way only 1 harness has the front camera stuff which also happens to have the fault sense wires for LEDs. If they didn't make you order LEDs, they'd need two separate harnesses with the trailcam wires.

Yeah, I understand some of the combos are like that. I can appreciate those, and even tolerate some of the money grabs (ex. get dual top, have to get a tonneau).

It's just not making sense with the combos I'm unable to get on a Mojave currently. I can't get dual top and camera, but a rubicon can. I can't get selec-trac at all at this time, but rubicon can. I can't get rollup tonneau with a hard top or dual top, but can on soft. These aren't logical, especially when some are allowed on other trims, or have been allowed before.

At this point I'm having to make peace. I can get soft top later, just more costly. I can get rollup separately, just slightly more costly. Selec-trac is the only big loss here, because it can't be added later.

 

[TheGrendel]

The front camera is nearly worthless. I would not concern yourself with it. Go aftermarket.

 

[GladLad]

I noticed Selec-Trac is now not on the Jeep.com build page for Mojave and other trims, but is available on the Rubicon. And safety packages are back.

Don't know why Rubicon is currently the only Selec-Trac available trim, but at least their build site is better matching the options dealers can actuality order now.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I noticed Selec-Trac is now not on the Jeep.com build page for Mojave and other trims, but is available on the Rubicon. And safety packages are back.

Don't know why Rubicon is currently the only Selec-Trac available trim, but at least their build site is better matching the options dealers can actuality order now.

Because the Rubicon has a different t-case gear ratio than the other levels. It's a different transfer case even though it is still a full-time automatic mode case.

I suspect part of the issue may be the fact that they are ramping up production of the 4xe and ALL 4xe Wranglers have the Selec-Trac transfer case. It's required for the 4xe JL/JLU and will be for any potential 4xe JT

So they may have had to limit the production of Selec-Trac overland and others in order to have them available for the Wrangler 4xe which is selling fast.

 

[GladLad]

Because the Rubicon has a different t-case gear ratio than the other levels. It's a different transfer case even though it is still a full-time automatic mode case.

I suspect part of the issue may be the fact that they are ramping up production of the 4xe and ALL 4xe Wranglers have the Selec-Trac transfer case. It's required for the 4xe JL/JLU and will be for any potential 4xe JT

So they may have had to limit the production of Selec-Trac overland and others in order to have them available for the Wrangler 4xe which is selling fast.

I thought maybe a shortage of some sort was involved, but didn't know 4XEs all had it, so that would makes sense as a cause.

However, I'm pretty sure they just didn't want me to build one to my exact specs. Forcing me to consider taking another shot in a year with a MY24 and possible 4XE. Greedy, double-dipping bastards.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I thought maybe a shortage of some sort was involved, but didn't know 4XEs all had it, so that would makes sense as a cause.

However, I'm pretty sure they just didn't want me to build one to my exact specs. Forcing me to consider taking another shot in a year with a MY24 and possible 4XE. Greedy, double-dipping bastards.

Can't buy a 4xe without it - it's a torque thing.

When I was looking for a purple Wrangler for my wife, one of the requirements was SelecTrac since she's only ever had Grand Cherokees and never in her life shifted a transfer case. (I wanted it as well as my Chevy had an automatic transfer case, too)
In my searching I found almost no JLUs on dealer lots with Selec-Trac. Find 20 purple Wranglers that were gas or diesel, none had Selec-Trac.
But since all 4xe have it - that's what we got. Bummer that when the reign color was available there was a shortage of parts for advance safety group so we were not able to find one with that.

The supply issues are not gone, just hiding better than they were. Supply chain, supplies and parts in general - still a big problem.
It's one reason that some auto makers are going vertical again for more control over certain parts.

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