Still leaning!

[mcd2484]

Evening everyone!

so mid may I had a full Bds 3in kit with fox shocks installed. I also added all 8 control arms and front and rear adjustable track bars.

I’m getting a lean on the passenger’s side about 3/4 inch up front and about 5/8 in the rear. Lift has been on for a few months now and about 7500 miles there has been no change in hight or “settling.” I was talking with both northrdige and Bds and though they didn’t say it was normal they both said this lift does not have specific sides so all springs are identical between drivers side and passengers side. I am about 190pounds and that takes about 1/4 away but still seems wrong for the cost of the vehicle and lift. Upon looking at the jeep while filling an almost empty tank I see little difference but then again I’d assume gas stations are not level for safety/spills.

I brought the jeep to a jeep shop that specializes in jeep aftermarket and they said not much can be done if springs are not corner spicific. They did however confirm and adjust the track bars, and control arms and said springs are seated properly.

my question is I have the 3/4 rear spacers i installed prior to the lift. If I added the spacer just to the passenger side rear spring would that help the situation? If I lift the rear with my hands about an inch the front levels out as well. Would this cause “a lite load,” on the front spring making it subject to DW? I know it would not make it level on all four corners I just want it not noticeable to the naked eye.. or maybe I’m obsessive lol. Originally had death wobble after the lift when towing and it ended up being the drag link. Shop said it was already there the towing was just the tipping point. They added the teraflex drag link and adjusted the links and the ride quality is great! That being said I do not want to fiddle with the geometry more after having everything set and adjusted.
Sorry for the long winded question just really want to enjoy the jeep a bit more especially with the snow coming.
ps also sorry for the terrible pics lol. But cramped with the garage door closed!

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[Lunentucker]

I think I'd be inclined to take a weekend and pull all the springs out and compare them to each other. Keep up with which came from where and trade sides to see if the lean follows the springs.

 

[Artsifrtsi]

Even Jeep TJs lean to the passenger side. This has been ongoing for decades now. The TJ even has the fuel tank located center behind the rear axle, not on the side as on the JK, JL, JT. I know that the stock springs for the JT are longer on the right side than they are on the left side. My stock Overland springs are, and the Rubicon springs I installed are.

But it goes even further than just Jeep... most vehicles that are a front engine/rear drive will see this lean to some extent... It is all to do with how the power is transferred through the chassis, and the suspension's ability to withstand that transfer. What happens when the throttle is buried in a muscle car? The front left tire wants to come up off the ground, and the weight of the car is shifted to the opposite corner... rear right. Jeep springs being a softer rate (especially in the rear) and longer is more susceptible to displacement.

 

[mcd2484]

That makes sense… so what I’m thinking is… I used decent parts (not top shelf but not no name) had instslled correctly and adjusted professionally. Stop obsessing and enjoy? Lol

 

[Artsifrtsi]

That makes sense… so what I’m thinking is… I used decent parts (not top shelf but not no name) had instslled correctly and adjusted professionally. Stop obsessing and enjoy? Lol

Go out and get some badges earned, and hit some other trails too... maybe it'll settle out... ?

 

[hjdca]

Maybe the control arms were tightened with the truck on the lift ? Some binding maybe ? Maybe you can try putting the truck on level ground, Loosen the control arms, work the suspension a little by putting weight on and off the bumpers, then, have somebody sit in the drivers seat, then, torque the control arms to spec..

 

[Artsifrtsi]

Maybe the control arms were tightened with the truck on the lift ? Some binding maybe ? Maybe you can try putting the truck on level ground, Loosen the control arms, work the suspension a little by putting weight on and off the bumpers, then, have somebody sit in the drivers seat, then, torque the control arms to spec..

That would really only apply to stock or stock style arms with solid rubber bushings... and I dont think that issue would manifest in one side being lower than the other.

@mcd2484 , the control arms you installed... do they have fixed rubber bushings, or some sort of a spherical type end? Looks like BDS arms are either solid on both ends, or the adjustable arms have a spherical end on one side... it wouldn't hurt to loosen and retorque with the Jeep's weght on the ground, but that shouldn't affect height... it can contribute to other ride quality issues, and life expectancy of the arm bushings.

 

[mcd2484]

They are fixed sphere.. core 4x4 decent too lol

 

[Artsifrtsi]

Yep, Core 4x4 makes some good stuff! You will not need to re-torque those, as it's impossible for them to bind by torquing in any position.

If the springs were all the same length as you mentioned, you could (if it's bugging you) add your 3/4 spacer on the rear. I think that's about all I'd be concerned with.

 

[Limestone]

Evening everyone!

so mid may I had a full Bds 3in kit with fox shocks installed. I also added all 8 control arms and front and rear adjustable track bars.

I’m getting a lean on the passenger’s side about 3/4 inch up front and about 5/8 in the rear. Lift has been on for a few months now and about 7500 miles there has been no change in hight or “settling.” I was talking with both northrdige and Bds and though they didn’t say it was normal they both said this lift does not have specific sides so all springs are identical between drivers side and passengers side. I am about 190pounds and that takes about 1/4 away but still seems wrong for the cost of the vehicle and lift. Upon looking at the jeep while filling an almost empty tank I see little difference but then again I’d assume gas stations are not level for safety/spills.

I brought the jeep to a jeep shop that specializes in jeep aftermarket and they said not much can be done if springs are not corner spicific. They did however confirm and adjust the track bars, and control arms and said springs are seated properly.

my question is I have the 3/4 rear spacers i installed prior to the lift. If I added the spacer just to the passenger side rear spring would that help the situation? If I lift the rear with my hands about an inch the front levels out as well. Would this cause “a lite load,” on the front spring making it subject to DW? I know it would not make it level on all four corners I just want it not noticeable to the naked eye.. or maybe I’m obsessive lol. Originally had death wobble after the lift when towing and it ended up being the drag link. Shop said it was already there the towing was just the tipping point. They added the teraflex drag link and adjusted the links and the ride quality is great! That being said I do not want to fiddle with the geometry more after having everything set and adjusted.
Sorry for the long winded question just really want to enjoy the jeep a bit more especially with the snow coming.
ps also sorry for the terrible pics lol. But cramped with the garage door closed!

2021 JTR
Clayton 2.5 Overland+
I added a 3/4” spacer under the right rear spring to get the truck to sit the same from side to side. The truck drove fine. About 6 months later, I changed to Clayton HD rear springs. I still had to add a 3/4” spacer under the right rear spring to get the truck to sit the same from side to side. The truck still drives fine.

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