Stock Mojave - Will Geo brackets be too much correction?

[Lunentucker]

Lower the Falkens to 33 PSI

The Mopar slightly longer arms would be perfect, IF you're not planning on lifting past two inches.
Otherwise, the Rancho brackets come with three levels of adjustment, and I think the upper holes would suit your needs just fine, then you have future adjustment for up to about 4.5" of lift.
I run the middle holes at 2 Inches left on the Mojave.
Others make quality front brackets as well.


The Metalcloak sector shaft brace would be a nice addition, and require no cutting or grinding away factory metal to fit (as opposed to the Steersmarts). There is some drilling required.

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https://www.extremeterrain.com/ranc...brackets-for-2-to-450-inch-lift-rs62118b.html

https://metalcloak.com/sector-shaft-brace-jl-wrangler-jt-gladiator.html

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[jeepers29]

Wasn't synergy having issues with their sector shaft brace bushings? Has this been addressed?

 

[Banned]

Hey All,

Here is what I'm experiencing and what digging through the forum has lead me to.

My stock 23 Mojave with the stock Falken AT wanders sooooo much. I drive 50 miles on the freeway for work.
The steering doesn't feel lose but the truck just wants to track all over the place. I've lowered air pressure.
Tried 35 and 32 psi. I Didn't really feel that changed a ton of the characteristics.
I do have an up coming oil change rotate and suspension check at the dealer. Will see if the rotation nets any changes.
I used to have a XJ back in the day. I understand these trucks will not ever ride like a car. But it seems a lot of people struggle with wander.

Here is what I'd like to bounce off of people. I may be wrong in my assumptions on the current factory height across the models.

It seems like Rubicons are roughly .75 to 1 inch(based on weight) taller then a sport package.

The Mojave is stated as roughly 1 inch taller then Rubicons. With that I'm thinking that a Mojave is roughly 1.75 -2" of lift over a stock sport.

Unless you run the Mopar lift, everyone is running the same control arms.

I think caster is my problem. If the Mopar 2" lift needs arms, I don't see why stock Rubicon and Mojave don't. So I'm leaning towards just running the Mopar lower control arms and see how it feels.

BUT

If a Mojave is pushing close to 2" over a stock sport, couldn't I potentially run AEV or Rancho Geo Brackets on the low setting? Then I benefit from the angle change along with caster. I do not care about the bracket clearance loss.

Its hard to tell if the geo brackets are basing the lift specs from a stock base model vs the already present lift amount from a Rubicon or Mojave.

Let me know your thoughts.

Jacob-
I have a '23 Rubicon, I lifted the front suspension 2" and installed JKS J-Link fixed extended front LCA's, I believe they are 5/16 or 3/8" longer than stock. They worked out very well, I can run 80mph with a thumb on the wheel. I put my stock Rubicon front springs on my wife's '23 Sport with Teraflex 1.5" leveling spacers and Mopar +1/4" LCA's, hers tracks and handles very well also. Hope this helps you out.

 

[Lunentucker]

I’ve got a 2021 Mojave with the AEV 2” lift and their geo correction brackets, along with Metal Cloak’s sector shaft brace. My truck tracked straight and drove pretty nice with this setup, especially considering I am also running 37x13.5R17 Ridge Grapplers.

I recently installed a set of Synergy 3” springs (to level the front) and decided to add the longer Mopar LCA’s in the process. The geo brackets had kept my factory LCA’s perfectly parallel to the ground, but the new springs lifted them out of alignment a bit. I had read of several members on here who added Mopar lift LCA’s on stock Gladiators and got positive results with straighter tracking, so I took a chance that they would pair well with my truck as well.

The net result has been fantastic. I really wasn’t expecting too much as the Mopar
LCA’s are only 1/4” longer, but the difference with my steering is extremely noticeable. The truck naturally wants to track straighter and the steering wheel is much more responsive re-centering after making a turn. Beforehand it was definitely slower to return to center.

Being that the Mopar LCA’s are less than $100, I wouldn’t hesitate to add them to a factory Mojave along with some sort of Sector shaft brace. I think you’ll be happy with the results.

Interesting. Did you not have another adjustment set of holes to move to on the brackets? I thought they were like my Rancho brackets and had multiple settings.

 

[Whiteoak323]

The death wobble page is a glorious amount of data haha. Here's to hope the dealer finds something to correct. If not, I'll check the component torque for the front. Lucky to have a 250ft-lb torque wrench. I'm reaallly leaning towards getting the rancho brackets(preference built from others experiences) if there isn't anything that sticks out as bad or loose. But understanding the Mopar arms are the best deal. Thanks for the info all. I will report back after the dealer visit.

 

[1550jrit]

Interesting. Did you not have another adjustment set of holes to move to on the brackets? I thought they were like my Rancho brackets and had multiple settings.

I do have three different settings on the AEV geo brackets, currently set to the middle. I certainly could have just jumped to the highest setting, but figured a slightly longer LCA might give me a better result. The top setting might have yielded the same result and saved some money, but I’ll never know now. I’ve got the front dialed in how I want it for now, rides like my factory Mojave did (except lifted and leveled). When my Fox shocks fail, my plan is to jump to a full metal cloak lift.

 

[dayusmc]

Regardless of the issue you are having, I would get the Mopar LCA. I don't understand why our Mojave (or my wife's High-Tide JLU) do not come with these from the factory. I know there is some debate on how much higher the Rubicon and Mojave are taller than the Sport, but they are definitely taller. Being there are no other adjustments for Caster on the front end, the sport will have more caster from the factory. With the taller springs in the Rubicon and Mojave, it just makes sense for those models to have the longer LCA.
My wife's High-Tide JLU comes frome the factory with a 1.5" lift and 35s. The lift consists of springs and a 1" additional rear bump stop. Makes no sense that that Jeep doesn't come with the longer front LCA either...
I bought the Mopar LCA on Bam's website for under $100 shipped to me for her JLU.
I am not suggesting that is your problem, most likely it is not. I am just saying any Mojave or Rubicon should have these from the factory and they are cheap and easy enough to put on that we should do it.
I would wait to put them on until After you figure out and correct the other issue first. Just my $0.02, not really worth much...

 

[RdFx21]

Would installing the extended Mopar LCAs on a stock Mojave require an immediate need for a front-end alignment?

 

[Minty JL]

I would upgrade the steering stabilizer first where you're stock height

I went with the Fox Racing ATS

 

[dayusmc]

Would installing the extended Mopar LCAs on a stock Mojave require an immediate need for a front-end alignment?

No... The only thing the alignment shop can align on a JT/JL is the toe...
Everyone that keeps posting "and immediately go for an alignment" doesn't understand this. The only reason to go for an alignment after lifting the JT is to SEE where your Caster is. Unless you bought adjustable control arms, you can't adjust your Caster...

 

[Whiteoak323]

The scenario I was hoping to avoid happened. Brought it to the dealer. First time getting service done there. Wasn't impressed with the service writer immediately. Anyway, they said they test drove and agreed to my wandering condition complaint. They found my driver side front wheel to be slightly toe in. They adjusted and said the condition is solved. I also had the tires rotated. I drove it home and hit the freeway for speed. Still wanders... So with that, I'm going to move forward and try Mopar lift kit LCAs first and review for any characteristics changes.

 

[dayusmc]

Did they give you a printout of the alignment? They may say the Toe is correct, that just means within "spec", it doesn't me best for driving...

 

[Whiteoak323]

Did they give you a printout of the alignment? They may say the Toe is correct, that just means within "spec", it doesn't me best for driving...

That is where the unimpressed part comes in. "Didn't have the results" blah blah. These guys made it seem like I was an inconvenience.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The only reason to go for an alignment after lifting the JT is to SEE where your Caster is. Unless you bought adjustable control arms, you can't adjust your Caster...

Or to re-center the steering wheel if you haven't already done that. Depending on the lift, the front axle may no longer be centered.
Otherwise, toe and camber can't be changed by just a lift.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

So with that, I'm going to move forward and try Mopar lift kit LCAs first and review for any characteristics changes.

I put them on my Overland before I did much else to it........ it's slightly lifted due to the Synergy springs up front, but the lower control arms went it first.

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