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Pics of my 2020 - note the gap tapers towards the front, as expected for water drainage. Just enough gap at the front to not drag on the door frame. But you can see it wouldn’t take much to get the interference you are experiencing. The rails also have a slight upward tilt as seen from the front view, which may account for the lack of door frame interference.

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So do mine. They haven’t caused a problem and have been used since July 2021.
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Hey - just for comparison - diving back into this “Bestop Sunrider” vs “Jeep Sunrider” differences…on the drip rail back corner, I have a Bestop label - you have a Jeep label.
just wondering - on the rear clamp on both of mine, the is a raised Bestop emblem:

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Is your clamp the same, or some other logo?
Any other Bestop markings at all?
 
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Pics of my 2020 - note the gap tapers towards the front, as expected for water drainage.
Which is interesting as the freedom panels drain forward without that diminishing clearance or gap because of the natural slop of the body shape, and slight rake they all have.
Take a JLU, for example - the freedom panels drain forward, but don't slope forward.
So really, that isn't necessary for drainage.
In fact, the freedom panels drain forward so very well, Jeep had to devise a solution to keep the water from running into the cabin when you opened the door - all of the water went forward off the front end of the drip rail.
The forward rake of the sunrider is thus, unnecessary. If the freedom panels of a level sitting JLU run the rain water forward with no rake or obvious change in the gap between it and the door, the sunrider can.

These drain fine - sunrider would too, with the even gap -

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Large gap rear to front works great, water drains perfectly forward, gap is even all the way, and there's actually a good gap - the mucket and other seals aren't pinched at all.
Why does sunrider take a dive going forward? Can't be for water, or the freedom panels wouldn't drain forward like they do - making early JT and JLU owners complain about getting wet.

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Hey - just for comparison - diving back into this “Bestop Sunrider” vs “Jeep Sunrider” differences…on the drip rail back corner, I have a Bestop label - you have a Jeep label.
just wondering - on the rear clamp on both of mine, the is a raised Bestop emblem:

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Is your clamp the same, or some other logo?
Any other Bestop markings at all?
No indication of any brand or location, name, anything. Just the tag sewn at the right rear of the drip rail. Otherwise you'd have no idea who made it, where or when.

This is it, and even this is generic as heck - it's English!

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No indication of any brand or location, name, anything. Just the tag sewn at the right rear of the drip rail. Otherwise you'd have no idea who made it, where or when.

This is it, and even this is generic as heck - it's English!

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Also on the latches:
No indication of any brand or location, name, anything. Just the tag sewn at the right rear of the drip rail. Otherwise you'd have no idea who made it, where or when.

This is it, and even this is generic as heck - it's English!

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on the latches too…
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You seem to forget - they can drive..........

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Crap I forgot about that 🤣🤣
Looks like I will have to get me a Dillon Aero to mount in the bed maybe like this one 😅 🤔
 

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No indication of any brand or location, name, anything. Just the tag sewn at the right rear of the drip rail. Otherwise you'd have no idea who made it, where or when.

This is it, and even this is generic as heck - it's English!

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And the 2 sun dials .. indicate the month and Year of manufacture.
 
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Also on the latches:

on the latches too…
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Nope - those are plain as can be. There's only one way to know and that's the tag sewed in, and - one piece actually has a MOPAR logo and part number - that rear "clamp" that holds the center of the rear down against the seals.
And all of that makes me believe - Jeep doesn't even make these things - except maybe this clamp. And the lack of anything suggesting Bestop is also suggesting - they are made by someone else FOR Jeep - as it takes a lot to get rid of all of the Bestop logos and numbers and such.

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And the 2 sun dials .. indicate the month and Year of manufacture.
Yeah, forgot about those (actually, totally overlooked them) - as used in casting iron and steel parts etc.

I didn't look closely - I wonder if that's a number to the left of the description and if so, a part number, and who that number belongs to.
 

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Yeah, forgot about those (actually, totally overlooked them) - as used in casting iron and steel parts etc.

I didn't look closely - I wonder if that's a number to the left of the description and if so, a part number, and who that number belongs to.
Judging from the number I would say it is a part # .. put it in a google search see what shows up.
 

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Judging from the number I would say it is a part # .. put it in a google search see what shows up.
Well, the 594.82 assy, rear header with insert nuts was made 5th month 2024.
They certainly aren't selling them very well!
That's 10 months it sat before my truck was made - likely why my dealer acted like they had never even seen one and the sales guy said he'd never sold one before - slow sales!

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Well, the 594.82 assy, rear header with insert nuts was made 5th month 2024.
They certainly aren't selling them very well!
That's 10 months it sat before my truck was made - likely why my dealer acted like they had never even seen one and the sales guy said he'd never sold one before - slow sales!

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Next question would be is that bestops part # or Mopar #
 

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Well, the 594.82 assy, rear header with insert nuts was made 5th month 2024.
They certainly aren't selling them very well!
That's 10 months it sat before my truck was made - likely why my dealer acted like they had never even seen one and the sales guy said he'd never sold one before - slow sales!

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Wow they certainly didn't sell many of them I am guessing most folks just toss off the freedom panels and go for it if it rains it rains kinda deal. I know if I remove I gotta wear a hat anyway .
 
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Wow they certainly didn't sell many of them I am guessing most folks just toss off the freedom panels and go for it if it rains it rains kinda deal. I know if I remove I gotta wear a hat anyway .
With the heat, humidity, and UV on the old skin, I must run with a shade of some sort, and - the hotheads liner would be a must for this.
With panels out - I have to run a sunshade and take the panels with due to the goofy weather - 0% chance of rain, and get get all heck breaking loose for a half hour.
So the sunrider resolves the taking panels with thing - but it's going to cost a lot more than the 900 something by the time I also buy a shade and headliner for it.
Hat is a must - thin hair - don't care for skin cancer - I love to be outside a lot so I go through a lot of hats.
Speaking of that, I have to mow this bright sunny calm HOT, humid day.
92, full sun, humidity is way up there - you get wet just walking in the sun.
 

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Nope - those are plain as can be. There's only one way to know and that's the tag sewed in, and - one piece actually has a MOPAR logo and part number - that rear "clamp" that holds the center of the rear down against the seals.
And all of that makes me believe - Jeep doesn't even make these things - except maybe this clamp. And the lack of anything suggesting Bestop is also suggesting - they are made by someone else FOR Jeep - as it takes a lot to get rid of all of the Bestop logos and numbers and such.

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Hmmm...your latched even look flimsy in comparison to my Bestop hinges. Even the interior side of the fabric looks different on mine (I have the higher level twill) as does the leading edge that rests on the windscreen seal:

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Sure is looking more and more like it is a knock-off product made for Jeep. Quality is not up to Bestop standards....I've purchased from them three times now...always quality and good engineering.

Does Jeep actually call it a "Sunrider"? I would think "Sunrider" would be proprietary to Bestop?

And if it's a knock-off...why is Bestop involved/interested...unless they sold the specs to Jeep, so Jeep could find a cheaper manufacturer?
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