The 3.6 Tick Bites Trail Recon at 31,000 Miles

[StevieY1]

synthetic is still petroleum based - unless you use the natural gas stuff from Pennzoil.
it's just been "manipulated" differently. It comes out of the ground like the other.


There's also this on my shelves -

ya, but its new and better - summa y'all don't like new and better

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[ShadowsPapa]

I see ya swapped out the gun totin' Kitty! Nice!

I have a stash of pics of all sorts for various uses, avatars and so on. I switch now and then based on mood, or seeing a pic I like better that particular day.

When they added Boron Nitride to the formula they properly also described it as CERAMIC.

Another buzz word of the week. It's being sold for glass, paint, you name it. Doesn't mean it actually does anything. If it was a thing - again, the oil companies or auto makers would be all over it.
Oh but wait, they are - BN, boron and so on have been in oils for quite a while. Just that no one uses the marketing term "ceramic" - they simply list the chemical compound. You'll find it and similar compounds in oils already.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

ya, but its new and better

NEW? Really? Hmmmmm - Mobil 1 and Amsoil in the 1970s - and it's new?
It goes back decades farther in Europe.

 

[StevieY1]

I have a stash of pics of all sorts for various uses, avatars and so on. I switch now and then based on mood, or seeing a pic I like better that particular day.


Another buzz word of the week. It's being sold for glass, paint, you name it. Doesn't mean it actually does anything. If it was a thing - again, the oil companies or auto makers would be all over it.
Oh but wait, they are - BN, boron and so on have been in oils for quite a while. Just that no one uses the marketing term "ceramic" - they simply list the chemical compound. You'll find it and similar compounds in oils already.

Ya didn't like the word CERAMIC - I tried to show you why they used the word when they changed the formula to add Boron Nitride to it. I give up - you're incorrigible. Can't wait for your unbiased report from the field on Tuesday

 

[Stan H]

I have a stash of pics of all sorts for various uses, avatars and so on. I switch now and then based on mood, or seeing a pic I like better that particular day.


Another buzz word of the week. It's being sold for glass, paint, you name it. Doesn't mean it actually does anything. If it was a thing - again, the oil companies or auto makers would be all over it.
Oh but wait, they are - BN, boron and so on have been in oils for quite a while. Just that no one uses the marketing term "ceramic" - they simply list the chemical compound. You'll find it and similar compounds in oils already.

And to your new Avatar..its the cats MEOW

 

[StevieY1]

NEW? Really? Hmmmmm - Mobil 1 and Amsoil in the 1970s - and it's new?
It goes back decades farther in Europe.

That's my point - u guys are living in in the past.

 

[Stan H]

That's my point - u guys are living in in the past.

Maybe the past is the present ( insert creepy music here ) ..dah dah Daaa !!!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Ya didn't like the word CERAMIC - I tried to show you why they used the word when they changed the formula to add Boron Nitride to it. I give up - you're incorrigible. Can't wait for your unbiased report from the field on Tuesday

They simply used a buzzword for marketing.
Yeah, it's considered a "ceramic"- wooo-hoo!

You don't see oils with the same compounds marketed that way. I guess they had to use some word to set it apart.
Check some of the best oils out there - guess what they have.........

 

[ShadowsPapa]

That's my point - u guys are living in in the past.

So to live in the future we must add snake oil to our oil? Really?
Gee, I run bio-syn oil in one of my cars and I'm living in the PAST?
That's a real hoot. You REALLY don't know me at all, not even close.

 

[Badunit]

When I hear "ceramic", I think of coffee cups and floor tiles and the grit, shards and sharp edges you get when they break. Nothing about that screams "great for lubrication" to me. It is not a marketing term that attracts me.

 

[Badunit]

Gee, I run bio-syn oil in one of my cars and I'm living in the PAST?

Way back before all the dinosaurs died and turned into petroleum, all we could get was Bio-Syn oil.

 

[FrankFrqnkFrank]

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Sorry wrong engine. That's the prior 3.6, not what we have.
Very different causes.

 

[FrankFrqnkFrank]

Sorry wrong engine. That's the prior 3.6, not what we have.
Very different causes.

when precisely did the AH rockers get deployed? I’m sure you know

 

[ShadowsPapa]

when precisely did the AH rockers get deployed? I’m sure you know

The followers in the video are the early Pentastar type that had bearing failures which "locked" the rollers or they got sloppy. In that engine, the intake and exhaust followers (rockers) are basically the same thing - both have a wide roller.

our have a VVL type where there are two narrow rollers - one on each side - of the high lift portion which has no roller and simply "rubs" on the cam lobe a lot like old-style lifters did. The exhaust followers still have the rollers, like he shows. The intakes do not.

You can't interchange what we have with what's in that video, nor can we use what they used in the video.

The "AH" rockers he refers to- can't say when they were actually placed into production, but by 2018 model year, all Pentastar engines in use should be the PUG or PentastarUpGrade engine.

2016 saw the VVL engine, in the Grand Cherokee and some others.
Wrangler still used the old version through the 2017 model year.
2018 Wrangler and all JT use the VVL rocker.
(the exhaust rockers will still be single wide roller)

This is our intake rocker - two narrow rollers, one on each side of the high lift portion. It's the center or high lift bit that goes goofy on us ->

This is our cam intake lobe - note two narrow lobes for the low lift, with the high lift being in the center, and badly worn -

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