The love is gone

[ChrisNLA]

The Canyon’s are nice trucks. I had a 2016 for 9 years. It was the V6 with 6 speed tranny & SLT (loaded as it came for that year). Never had a lick of problems other than the auto transmission shifting (search chuggle/stutter). I honestly believe it was all about their shift programming & the ‘adaptive learning’ crap that made it chuggle/stutter. If you ran with a heavy right foot OR put it in tow/haul mode, it ran perfectly.

I was going to buy the new one (2024)….but I’m not a fan of the 4cylinder and that’s all you get. Not only that, but GM dragged their feet getting the new gen’s out - I got tired of waiting (and anticipating there being problems).

Surely, the 2016 CAnyon did ride smoother, was more roomier in the cab…. than the JT. But, we were able to combine a ‘convertible’ with a truck - was a no brainer!!! No regrets at all in switching to the JT.

I’d never owned a GM product before, so that 9 years of experience impressed me. Unlike the Tacoma……at that time, the 2016 Tacoma (test drive) felt cheap and didn’t ride nearly as smooth (as the 2007 Tacoma I owned) OR have nearly the options the 2016 Canyon had.

The turbo 4 is one of the features that turns me on to the GM twins, really. A boat load more power than our engines, and a relatively solid engine in general reputation wise.

I drove a previous generation before. They were fine, but the styling on them I just can't get into.

I feel ya on the feet dragging. One of the reasons I ended up with a Gladiator is I needed a truck and the new gen Tacoma and GM Twins had not yet come out, the Ranger was unobtanium, and the new Frontier was too small.

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[ChrisNLA]

What's the tow rating on that gmc

I love that we all complain how difficult it is to nail down the tow rating on a Gladiator and a quick Google search led me to very clear and concise information on the GMC website.

Jeep should take notes

Edit: Payload capacity. They titled this wrong though (max towing instead of payload). Can't be perfect I guess.

 

[ATL_Rubi]

I am really thinking about parting with my dialed in and modded JT. The Ranger Raptor has me in a spell. I don't do boulders or Rubicon type trails. I don't tow. Looks like the Raptor has everything the Gladiator needs. Muchmore HP, much smoother ride, quieter. If there is an issue with the Raptor I have not heard of it. Please give me reason not to go there.

Truthfully, I haven’t read every post here because I just don’t want to, but I recently sold my Gladiator and got into a RR. My Rubi was mostly stock minus a leveling kit, but so far the raptor has done everything the rubicon did stock, and then some. It’s also far more comfortable. Unless you’re heavy into rock crawling, the Ranger does it all better, minus removing the doors and top.

 

[IamPro2A]

How long does it take to get the doors off?

Less time than taking the roof off, and a WHOLE lot more time to put the roof back on.

 

[WambliSka]

Truthfully, I haven’t read every post here because I just don’t want to, but I recently sold my Gladiator and got into a RR. My Rubi was mostly stock minus a leveling kit, but so far the raptor has done everything the rubicon did stock, and then some. It’s also far more comfortable. Unless you’re heavy into rock crawling, the Ranger does it all better, minus removing the doors and top.

Not trying to pick on you specifically but I see a lot of posts like yours making these "absolute" statements like "so far the raptor has done everything the Rubicon did stock, and then some. It’s also far more comfortable" and then "the Ranger does it all better". And I'm sure based on what you asked your stock Rubicon to do you are correct.

BUT, unless you’re heavy into rock crawling, the Ranger does it all "better" has to be HEAVILY qualified with "everything I NEEDED MY RUBICON TO DO" and then explain what that was, or they are meaningless to the conversation. Obviously, and you state clearly you are not a rock crawler, so probably your demands of your Rubicon did not test the platform much.

Your Raptor, assuming it's the one in the picture, is a FINE truck, but I can se a whole lot of plastic parts that would be left behind on the trails I count on my Mojave to take me through, and I am certainly no rock crawler, but I do test the limits of my rig trying to get to places where I won't find vehicles with plastic bits camping next to me. Actually that is my ONE goal is to blow past all the SUVs and other Overlanders rigged trucks to get to the most remote place where others won't go and enjoy my solitude.

So in summary, the Raptor i's a better truck for YOU, and it beat what YOU asked YOUR RUBICON to do. It is NOT a better truck for everyone. And on that video with the flat dirt road, my wife's twin turbo SUV with AWD would have eaten both of those trucks lunch. Except the she refuses to get it dirty

 

[Lunentucker]

What's the tow rating on that gmc

7,700 pounds

 

[ATL_Rubi]

Not trying to pick on you specifically but I see a lot of posts like yours making these "absolute" statements like "so far the raptor has done everything the Rubicon did stock, and then some. It’s also far more comfortable" and then "the Ranger does it all better". And I'm sure based on what you asked your stock Rubicon to do you are correct.

BUT, unless you’re heavy into rock crawling, the Ranger does it all "better" has to be HEAVILY qualified with "everything I NEEDED MY RUBICON TO DO" and then explain what that was, or they are meaningless to the conversation. Obviously, and you state clearly you are not a rock crawler, so probably your demands of your Rubicon did not test the platform much.

Your Raptor, assuming it's the one in the picture, is a FINE truck, but I can se a whole lot of plastic parts that would be left behind on the trails I count on my Mojave to take me through, and I am certainly no rock crawler, but I do test the limits of my rig trying to get to places where I won't find vehicles with plastic bits camping next to me. Actually that is my ONE goal is to blow past all the SUVs and other Overlanders rigged trucks to get to the most remote place where others won't go and enjoy my solitude.

So in summary, the Raptor i's a better truck for YOU, and it beat what YOU asked YOUR RUBICON to do. It is NOT a better truck for everyone. And on that video with the flat dirt road, my wife's twin turbo SUV with AWD would have eaten both of those trucks lunch. Except the she refuses to get it dirty

Not trying to pick on you specifically but I see a lot of posts like yours making these "absolute" statements like "so far the raptor has done everything the Rubicon did stock, and then some. It’s also far more comfortable" and then "the Ranger does it all better". And I'm sure based on what you asked your stock Rubicon to do you are correct.

BUT, unless you’re heavy into rock crawling, the Ranger does it all "better" has to be HEAVILY qualified with "everything I NEEDED MY RUBICON TO DO" and then explain what that was, or they are meaningless to the conversation. Obviously, and you state clearly you are not a rock crawler, so probably your demands of your Rubicon did not test the platform much.

Your Raptor, assuming it's the one in the picture, is a FINE truck, but I can se a whole lot of plastic parts that would be left behind on the trails I count on my Mojave to take me through, and I am certainly no rock crawler, but I do test the limits of my rig trying to get to places where I won't find vehicles with plastic bits camping next to me. Actually that is my ONE goal is to blow past all the SUVs and other Overlanders rigged trucks to get to the most remote place where others won't go and enjoy my solitude.

So in summary, the Raptor i's a better truck for YOU, and it beat what YOU asked YOUR RUBICON to do. It is NOT a better truck for everyone. And on that video with the flat dirt road, my wife's twin turbo SUV with AWD would have eaten both of those trucks lunch. Except the she refuses to get it dirty

Very fair, and the video was merely meant to show what could be. I have cars that, sorry, would smoke your wife’s suv on dirt and on road. No twin turbos needed.

Also, read the original post, they don’t do boulders, or rubicon trails. That’s literally the only area a gladiator out shines a raptor unless your caveats are doors and top. For the original post, I can speak in absolutes because they gave us their requirements.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

Not trying to pick on you specifically but I see a lot of posts like yours making these "absolute" statements like "so far the raptor has done everything the Rubicon did stock, and then some. It’s also far more comfortable" and then "the Ranger does it all better". And I'm sure based on what you asked your stock Rubicon to do you are correct.

BUT, unless you’re heavy into rock crawling, the Ranger does it all "better" has to be HEAVILY qualified with "everything I NEEDED MY RUBICON TO DO" and then explain what that was, or they are meaningless to the conversation. Obviously, and you state clearly you are not a rock crawler, so probably your demands of your Rubicon did not test the platform much.

Your Raptor, assuming it's the one in the picture, is a FINE truck, but I can se a whole lot of plastic parts that would be left behind on the trails I count on my Mojave to take me through, and I am certainly no rock crawler, but I do test the limits of my rig trying to get to places where I won't find vehicles with plastic bits camping next to me. Actually that is my ONE goal is to blow past all the SUVs and other Overlanders rigged trucks to get to the most remote place where others won't go and enjoy my solitude.

So in summary, the Raptor i's a better truck for YOU, and it beat what YOU asked YOUR RUBICON to do. It is NOT a better truck for everyone. And on that video with the flat dirt road, my wife's twin turbo SUV with AWD would have eaten both of those trucks lunch. Except the she refuses to get it dirty

I'm curious what your wife drives that it will smoke a Raptor Bronco? Must be pretty quick.

 

[JTGuy]

I have slowly read every reply here. Thanks so much for them all. I still like my Glady and it's all done modding it, for now. Nothing has the "look" of my JT. Mine would have a Hemi in it if it were legal here . I wish it hd the ride of the RR but it doesn't. I don't need a dealer computer to replace a shock absorber. In weighing all the advice here along with my own, plan is to just hold tight for now. I have the cash to do what I want with no one to say no. For now I'll just put on my big girl panties and enjoy the Jeep ride. If there is some thing that will really make the ride better I am for it. Long arms?? They will always be making new trucks so there is no rush to do anything today.

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

I have slowly read every reply here. Thanks so much for them all. I still like my Glady and it's all done modding it, for now. Nothing has the "look" of my JT. Mine would have a Hemi in it if it were legal here . I wish it hd the ride of the RR but it doesn't. I don't need a dealer computer to replace a shock absorber. In weighing all the advice here along with my own, plan is to just hold tight for now. I have the cash to do what I want with no one to say no. For now I'll just put on my big girl panties and enjoy the Jeep ride. If there is some thing that will really make the ride better I am for it. Long arms?? They will always be making new trucks so there is no rush to do anything today.

What are you running for shocks?

 

[WambliSka]

Very fair, and the video was merely meant to show what could be. I have cars that, sorry, would smoke your wife’s suv on dirt and on road. No twin turbos needed.

Also, read the original post, they don’t do boulders, or rubicon trails. That’s literally the only area a gladiator out shines a raptor unless your caveats are doors and top. For the original post, I can speak in absolutes because they gave us their requirements.

That's fair. And there's plenty of cars that will smoke my wife's SUV. But then again, she drives a soccer grandma car... with paddle shifters.

 

[WambliSka]

I'm curious what your wife drives that it will smoke a Raptor Bronco? Must be pretty quick.

According to Google AI The Raptor has My wife's SUV on a straightaway by a few fractions of a second (on stock tires and no cap). Add AT tires and the extra Cap weight to the Raptor and I'm sure the difference vanishes quick. And when you get to the first sharp turn on a windy road all you'll see are her taillights for a turn maybe two and then nothing. Her car corners like nothing else I've ever driven, expensive Euro cars included. And after 1 quarter mile she's still accelerating pulling away. I was on the German autobahn a few months back. We were doing about 120 mph in my buddy's Mercedes and a Mazda just like my wife's passed us like we were parked. My buddy said it's one the most popular car brands in Germany because of speed and handling. That says quite a lot.

Not bad for a mommy car... With twin turbos and paddle shifters that she runs like she stole it

The Mazda CX-70 3.3 Turbo S runs the quarter mile in approximately 14.4 to 14.8 seconds at around 97 to 98 mph, according to instrumental testing by automotive reviewers. [1, 2, 3]Performance Specifications

• • Engine: 3.3-liter turbocharged inline-six (high-output Turbo S variant)
  • Horsepower: 340 hp
  • Torque: 369 lb-ft
  • 0–60 mph time: 6.0 to 6.3 seconds
  • Quarter-mile time/speed: 14.4 sec @ 97.1 mph up to 14.8 sec @ 96.7 mph (depending on testing conditions) [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

A stock Ford Ranger Raptor runs the quarter-mile in roughly 14.1 to 14.5 seconds at about 94 to 97 mph. [1, 2]

Stock Performance Times

• • Quarter-Mile Time: 14.1 – 14.5 seconds
  • Trap Speed: 94 – 97 mph
  • 0–60 MPH: 5.3 – 5.8 seconds (achieved best on 91+ octane fuel) [1, 2]

 

[Wheelin98TJ]

According to Google AI The Raptor has My wife's SUV on a straightaway by a few fractions of a second (on stock tires and no cap). Add AT tires and the extra Cap weight to the Raptor and I'm sure the difference vanishes quick. And when you get to the first sharp turn on a windy road all you'll see are her taillights for a turn maybe two and then nothing. Her car corners like nothing else I've ever driven, expensive Euro cars included. And after 1 quarter mile she's still accelerating pulling away. I was on the German autobahn a few months back. We were doing about 120 mph in my buddy's Mercedes and a Mazda just like my wife's passed us like we were parked. My buddy said it's one the most popular car brands in Germany because of speed and handling. That says quite a lot.

Not bad for a mommy car... With twin turbos and paddle shifters that she runs like she stole it

The Mazda CX-70 3.3 Turbo S runs the quarter mile in approximately 14.4 to 14.8 seconds at around 97 to 98 mph, according to instrumental testing by automotive reviewers. [1, 2, 3]Performance Specifications

• • Engine: 3.3-liter turbocharged inline-six (high-output Turbo S variant)
  • Horsepower: 340 hp
  • Torque: 369 lb-ft
  • 0–60 mph time: 6.0 to 6.3 seconds
  • Quarter-mile time/speed: 14.4 sec @ 97.1 mph up to 14.8 sec @ 96.7 mph (depending on testing conditions) [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

A stock Ford Ranger Raptor runs the quarter-mile in roughly 14.1 to 14.5 seconds at about 94 to 97 mph. [1, 2]

Stock Performance Times

• • Quarter-Mile Time: 14.1 – 14.5 seconds
  • Trap Speed: 94 – 97 mph
  • 0–60 MPH: 5.3 – 5.8 seconds (achieved best on 91+ octane fuel) [1, 2]

The Raptor testing is done with stock tires which are ATs.

Add a 200 lb bed cap to the Ranger, you'll lose about 0.2 seconds in the 1/4.

I gotta call BS on this:

And on that video with the flat dirt road, my wife's twin turbo SUV with AWD would have eaten both of those trucks lunch.

 

[Bandit’s Lair]

My Wife’s Gladiator is faster than your wife’s Gladiator.

 

[Janster]

Don’t talk to me about horsepower…. cuz it ain’t comin’ from the JT.
The hubby’s car… M4 Competition xDrive: 523 hp @ 6,250 rpm (All-wheel drive, 8-speed automatic)

When the hubby drives the JT, I have to remind him of the obvious differences.

When I drive the BMW…Holy shit…. I could get myself into trouble!

We didn’t buy the JT for horsepower OR good gas mileage, that’s for damn sure!!!

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