What changes has Jeep made since its 2019 release? TSB's, user found issues, etc..

[jensjer]

Does anyone have a list of FCA/Jeep "actual changes" that have been made to the gladiator since it's inception?

I think we all know about the Steering box tsb, but what about things like defroster vents? Oil filter/cooler seals? Aux battery issues?, Torquing of steering components, everything we see on the forums everyday,.. etc?

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[Mr._Bill]

Jeep does not make that information easily accessible for the General Public, and I'm not aware of anyone taking the time to try and compile one from the available sources.

 

[jensjer]

Jeep does not make that information easily accessible for the General Public, and I'm not aware of anyone taking the time to try and compile one from the available sources.

Thanks for the reply! Man I think many of us would be happy to come together to line the pockets of Jeep employees to figure out these kind of details.. Seems much more valuable than seeing 2k random posts about loose steering components etc.. likely get them fired due to them signing an NDA

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Thanks for the reply! Man I think many of us would be happy to come together to line the pockets of Jeep employees to figure out these kind of details.. Seems much more valuable than seeing 2k random posts about loose steering components etc.. likely get them fired due to them signing an NDA

There are going to be hundreds of changes, both subtle and obvious. Some will be simple design changes due to production needs, others will be changes to things like the steering gear due to problems. You'd have to have access to the change control documents. No tech anywhere will have that information. In fact, there won't be one single person that has access to that information.
For example - 2020 had no washers at the lower control arm bolts. 2022 does. Betcha that's not a commonly talked about thing and no tech will understand why - they just flow with it and put back that which they took off.
I've seen multiple differences between my 2020 and my 2022.
A TSB doesn't always result in a production change - it's often just a "if you see this issue, here's how to fix it" thing in many cases.
Part number changes don't mean squat - can mean a difference in supplier, a difference in the finish (black zinc instead of oxide on a bolt, for example).
Spring changes - will the people who deal with the interior have any understanding of that?
The TSB for ball joint torque - that's not a production change for the part - that's a boo-boo, some escaped the factory not properly torqued. Torque specs likely didn't change.
Frame changes - a tech won't know, care or understand. There won't be a TSB, it will only be recorded for their revision/version control records. There will be a different part number but who will know that until they go to order a frame? The team that deals with the structure and getting through the crash tests and so on will know, but not the engineers involved with making the truck stop or go.

I suspect there's been a change to how these regulate voltage for battery maintenance. My 22 acts different than my 20 did and looking at the BCM dumps, I'm seeing different numbers for some of the IBS and battery stuff. There won't be a TSB on that, it would be only in an internal change control document, engineering documents. No tech will know about it.
I haven't compared the cut off voltages for aux switches, but don't be surprised to see different numbers there - again, only an internal document.

and I'm not aware of anyone taking the time to try and compile one from the available sources.

Key to the whole thing - souceS - PLURAL, multiple. No one person is likely to know, no one source will know.

Each part may come from another building or another company. Dana may make a subtle change either on their own or at the request of Jeep.

You would literally need to have full access to all TSBs, read them all and determine if a change was actually made. There will be a whole lot of 'em and some are for specific versions of the JT - they may apply only to a specifically equipped vehicle.

TSBs aren't like the old days (TB, TSB, DRB - technical bulletin, technical service bulletin, or the Jeep diagnose and repair bulletin) -

 

[Closet Jeep guy]

Carcomplaints.com has some TSB's , also reported complaints. It's odd the 2022 had no complaints so far lol

 

[BearFootSam]

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[ShadowsPapa]

Carcomplaints.com has some TSB's , also reported complaints. It's odd the 2022 had no complaints so far lol

Don't know where they get their "data" but they have very little in the grand scheme of things.
NHTSA has 6 complaints for the 2022

(frankly, I love reading vehicle complaints - some are hilarious - like "my car broke and it's not fixed yet)

 

[jensjer]

There are going to be hundreds of changes, both subtle and obvious. Some will be simple design changes due to production needs, others will be changes to things like the steering gear due to problems. You'd have to have access to the change control documents. No tech anywhere will have that information. In fact, there won't be one single person that has access to that information.
For example - 2020 had no washers at the lower control arm bolts. 2022 does. Betcha that's not a commonly talked about thing and no tech will understand why - they just flow with it and put back that which they took off.
I've seen multiple differences between my 2020 and my 2022.
A TSB doesn't always result in a production change - it's often just a "if you see this issue, here's how to fix it" thing in many cases.
Part number changes don't mean squat - can mean a difference in supplier, a difference in the finish (black zinc instead of oxide on a bolt, for example).
Spring changes - will the people who deal with the interior have any understanding of that?
The TSB for ball joint torque - that's not a production change for the part - that's a boo-boo, some escaped the factory not properly torqued. Torque specs likely didn't change.
Frame changes - a tech won't know, care or understand. There won't be a TSB, it will only be recorded for their revision/version control records. There will be a different part number but who will know that until they go to order a frame? The team that deals with the structure and getting through the crash tests and so on will know, but not the engineers involved with making the truck stop or go.

I suspect there's been a change to how these regulate voltage for battery maintenance. My 22 acts different than my 20 did and looking at the BCM dumps, I'm seeing different numbers for some of the IBS and battery stuff. There won't be a TSB on that, it would be only in an internal change control document, engineering documents. No tech will know about it.
I haven't compared the cut off voltages for aux switches, but don't be surprised to see different numbers there - again, only an internal document.


Key to the whole thing - souceS - PLURAL, multiple. No one person is likely to know, no one source will know.

Each part may come from another building or another company. Dana may make a subtle change either on their own or at the request of Jeep.

You would literally need to have full access to all TSBs, read them all and determine if a change was actually made. There will be a whole lot of 'em and some are for specific versions of the JT - they may apply only to a specifically equipped vehicle.

TSBs aren't like the old days (TB, TSB, DRB - technical bulletin, technical service bulletin, or the Jeep diagnose and repair bulletin) -

You could have just said, not possible

 

[jensjer]

Glad I’ve got a 23 coming, I can assume most of you with earlier runs were just test monkeys for 23’s perfection

 

[Closet Jeep guy]

Let me know , I'm thinking about upgrading next year

 

[Hootbro]

There probably has been hundreds of many minor changes in all aspects of the Gladiator. I have owned a 2020, 2021 and am currently in a 2022 Gladiator and in installing various mods or moving mods over between them, I have found changes like large washers added to the front lower control arms on the aft mounting point and when installing a AUX switch kit on my 2022, I nicked a wire and when using the 2020 based wiring diagrams, found a different pin assignment on a connector that moved on the 2022. Had a late 2021 so there was the TPMS change and a few wiring changes there.

I think if you get a Tech Authority online subscription, there may be searchable data that will list the major changes from year to year. That is why supplying your VIN to your local or various online OEM dealer parts houses is very important to get what is actually suppose to be there on your vehicle as built and not rely on past year info and assume it carried over exactly.

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