Pentastar 6 vs the Wrangler 2.0

[ShadowsPapa]

Would an oil catch can help prevent this carbon build up?

A GOOD, quality one, can help. Two ways oil gets in and one is the PCV system.
Most of the time it's not an issue, but it can be a bigger issue with a direct injection engine - nothing to wash the valves off.

Just beware of those what show you 8 ounces of stuff, and it looks like an over-priced cup of whatever from Starbucks - it's NOT oil.
What you see in a catch can that's working should look exactly like the oil you get out of the crankcase. If it's tan it's mostly water. If it's pure it will look exactly like if you pulled an oil sample up through the dipstick tube.
So ignore the bull shit on youtube.

If you pulled 8 ounces out every 1,000 miles, for example, after 4 times you'd be a quart low on oil. It doesn't make oil. So what you find in the catch can has to equal what the crankcase is missing. These clowns that show you a full catch can but claim they don't need to add oil are showing you water.

And before anyone jumps and claims that can't be true because oil would be on top and water on the bottom..
Nope - it's an emulsion and yes, oil and water can mix and STAY mixed.

I'm not dissing a quality catch can installed well, I am dissing the clowns that show you bs.

If a PCV system is working well, it won't have as much impact as on an engine with a poorly working PCV system that doesn't separate the oil out before sending it to the intake.

GM has a patent for an internal catch can system for their LS engines - direct injected. Hmmmm.

Don't get a cheap one, get a good one, with some mass. If it's really thin and mounted where the temperatures fluctuate a lot, you'll find as much condensation in it as oil.

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[Billkowski]

The performance times between the two are virtually identical, but the 2.0 does a magic trick where there are surges in the power delivery and gives the illusion of something faster, the delivery in the 3.6 is pretty consistent through the band and feels much more refined. Drove both when buying my 2 door.

 

[ErylFlynn]

Found this recently, curious what others and Papa think on what he says. Has me a bit concerned about my wife's Hyundai that is direct inject and at almost 70k miles. If true is good information to be aware of if you drive a DI vehicle.

 

[Swordfish44]

EPA
Emissions, CAFE

3.6 is nearing the end of possibilities of advancement. It's about as far as you can go.
And it's necessary to sell world-wide, size matters. If Jeep can't sell in the EU, they crash and burn.
Selfish Americans think only of selling to the customers here. If Jeep can't compete there or sell there, Ford or someone else will jump in and fill the gap - Jeep loses.

I believe they are also taxed on engines over certain sizes?

Jeep is an AMERICAN icon. Not a EU icon... End of story! The EPA has lost thier minds and no longer live down here in reality with the rest of us! This entire EV push is going to be an epic failure. The infrastructure is not there! The US would need to produce 35-50% more electricity to get us to 100% EVs. Where do they think we are going to get that much more power? Coal, Nuclear, and Natural Gas is the answer! The very thing they want to get rid of. Its all nonsense and it not sustainable. Good luck to us all!

Also, why does everything need to be global? Why does going global take precedence over anything American? Is it bc its cheaper? to make more money for poorer quality product? IMO trying to quadruple what is already MASS production isnt good for anyone but the people making money. Which is what going global is all bout. Money over Quality! I am glad i work in the Aerospace industry where we do the exact opposite!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

If they don't sell to the other markets - SA, EU and so on, they lose. it's too expensive to meet all of the US requirements selling only in the US.

his entire EV push is going to be an epic failure.

Eh. you've been watching the journals suddenly change their headlines. Interesting pivot.

 

[MPMB]

I am glad i work in the Aerospace industry where we do the exact opposite!

One of the best sarcastic comments ever.

 

[Swordfish44]

If they don't sell to the other markets - SA, EU and so on, they lose. it's too expensive to meet all of the US requirements selling only in the US.


Eh. you've been watching the journals suddenly change their headlines. Interesting pivot.

I try to avoid headlines at all cost to preserve my sanity and intellect. Lol.

By US requirements are you referring to Emission requirements? Pretty sure its even worse in the EU and Japan. That would go for safety requirements too. They limit your bumpers and other nonsense in the EU. As far as QMS standards i would imagine they are all ISO compliant at the very least. Would it not be cheaper to ignore the rest of the worlds requirements and only have one set to follow? Auto makers probably have to hire entire teams of attorneys to sypher through all the different international laws and then the logistics of the whole thing has to be a nightmare. Probably need to pay out an additional $2.5 million annually just for teams of logistics and international law experts.

 

[Swordfish44]

One of the best sarcastic comments ever.
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Aerospace is held to an entirely different standard than auto makers... When you run your entire company from a QMS standpoint the profit comes automatically. Less waste on bad parts and rework.

Plus an aerospace supplier can and does charge twice as much for the same exact part than if it wasnt an aerospace supplier. The focus is on Quality. At least it should be! The processes can become more complex and timely as a result but thats why the customers are willing to pay so much more.

 

[ErylFlynn]

EVs are interesting, Ford is backing away as they are not getting the buy in. They are the future most likely, but we need better batteries, and more charging infrastructure. The problem I see is they are trying to force EV, instead of doing what Tesla did and making it desirable.

 

[Swordfish44]

EVs are interesting, Ford is backing away as they are not getting the buy in. They are the future most likely, but we need better batteries, and more charging infrastructure. The problem I see is they are trying to force EV, instead of doing what Tesla did and making it desirable.

Has anyone actually looked into the sustainability of going 100% EV???

It’s not possible without ramping up current coal, nuclear, and natural gas production, which defeats the entire purpose? They are forcing something on us bc governments around the world are being lobbied to do so and to keep donors. They have done ZERO research into how this is going to play out long term. Ask Elon! He even says it’s not possible to go full electric bc it’s not sustainable and he owns an EV company.

 

[ErylFlynn]

Has anyone actually looked into the sustainability of going 100% EV???

It’s not possible without ramping up current coal, nuclear, and natural gas production, which defeats the entire purpose? They are forcing something on us bc governments around the world are being lobbied to do so and to keep donors. They have done ZERO research into how this is going to play out long term. Ask Elon! He even says it’s not possible to go full electric bc it’s not sustainable and he owns an EV company.

I agree and why I said they are going about it all wrong. I am all in for nuclear power. Cleaner than anything else and safer.

But the grid needs work also to support the increase in demand. Not to mention the poor will be hurt more, they can't charge at home and will have to pay higher rates.

 

[Swordfish44]

I agree and why I said they are going about it all wrong. I am all in for nuclear power. Cleaner than anything else and safer.

But the grid needs work also to support the increase in demand. Not to mention the poor will be hurt more, they can't charge at home and will have to pay higher rates.

I agree. I don’t think having EVs as an option is bad but like you said it should be something they try to make more desirable. The Teslas are 100x better than any other EV I’ve seen. It’s like a spaceship inside. My gf was close to buying a Tesla but got a Charger instead. (Pun not intended).

 

[jeepstertim]

As much as I'd like an EV or a hybrid, there still seem to be just too many going up in flames. The Wrangler EV certainly went pop.

 

[GeneralMaximus]

Ask Elon! He even says it’s not possible to go full electric bc it’s not sustainable and he owns an EV company.

Actually, he said the opposite. Lithium mining is sustainable but currently, the limiting factor is refining. And it appears that the world’s largest lithium deposit was just discovered in Nevada.

https://markets.businessinsider.com...-s-the-stock-investors-should-know-1032628571

 

[Swordfish44]

Actually, he said the opposite. Lithium mining is sustainable but currently, the limiting factor is refining. And it appears that the world’s largest lithium deposit was just discovered in Nevada.

https://markets.businessinsider.com...-s-the-stock-investors-should-know-1032628571

We have a sustainable amount of lithium, yes. Actually they just found the MOTHERLOAD in a creek bed somewhere in southern Arkansas that Exxon bought the rights to. Finding enough batteries/storage isnt the issue. Its charging them and keeping them powered. I think you misunderstood what i was saying.

If you are interested in the Arkansas deposit Exxon bought, here is the link:

https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/news/news-releases/2023/1113_exxonmobil-drilling-first-lithium-well-in-arkansas#:~:text=In early 2023, ExxonMobil acquired,its type in North America.

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