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Took a trip to Sedona recently, and unfortunately, now that I live on the east coast, could not bring my Gladiator. I ended up renting a 4xE JL in Sedona and doing several trails, including the famous Broken Arrow, and it was a really interesting experience for sure.

First off, if you are ever looking to rent a Jeep in Sedona, I can't recommend Barlow Jeep Rentals enough. They have an inventory of about 6 or 7 JLs, all Rubicons, most 4xE, on Mopar 2" lifts and 35s. The staff was extremely knowledgeable about the area, the Jeeps, and off-roading, and shared their experiences and tips and tricks. They have done most of the trails in the area and will share tons of detail and maps of the area. The staff member helping me asked if I had any experience, and when I told her I've wheeled Moab, TX, and AR, she immediately slipped into "Jeep talk" nerding out with a fellow owner.

The JLR 4xE that I got was a great time, and I was glad I got to try out what these were all about, and what the future of Gladiators and Jeeps are likely to be. The staff member working with me said she couldn't wait for the 4xE to come to the Gladiator to get the increase in power over the Pentastar. Around town driving, I noticed the increase, but I didn't think it was as extreme as she had made it out to be, compared to the Mojave with stock 4.10 gears on 37s that I daily. The main difference was the extremely linear torque curve. No waiting for the engine to rev to 3500+ RPM to start putting down the power. It was very odd having the 2.0 4cyl turn off and on randomly when it needed and didn't need power, and even weirder to occasionally accelerate from a stoplight on pure battery power. The quiet hum of the motors winding was pretty neat with that wall of torque.

Side note - I went in thinking that the Mopar lift would handle like a boat, with the heavy 4xE and the basic Mopar Fox shocks that come with it. However, those shocks I thought were fantastic for a simple smooth body 2.0" shock. Before I bought my Mojave, I test drove a used Gladiator Rubicon with about 8,000 miles on it. I almost walked away from buying a Gladiator because it drove so poorly. I don't know if the regular Rubicon shocks on the Gladiator are way different, or the previous owner had just blown them out, but it was incredibly wallowy and unstable IMO. In contrast, the 4xE with the Mopar lift drove great around town, in the rocks, and on the washboard at 30 mph.

As far as wheeling with the 4xE, it was definitely something that you have to get used to. The power is fantastic on climbs and always right there. In 4LO, the 2.0 stayed mostly on, running between 2k and 3.5k rpm, based on engine load, but it rarely turned off. With the low gearing, constant torque, and the odd engine sound, when slow speed crawling it felt like driving a small diesel tractor. On easy to moderate descents, some combination of the electric motor and regenerative braking system forced the Jeep to crawl at 1-2 miles an hour - almost like a hill descent control you don't need to activate. It was super neat, until it wasn't....Coming down the Devils Staircase on Broken Arrow, I wanted to trust my right foot at creeping down the steep descent, and not just let the Jeep try and take me down. The 4xE system was not a huge fan of this, and it was extremely hard to modulate the braking at low speeds in order to creep down ledges. It wound up being a very jerky start-stop descent. Nothing that felt unsafe, just not as smooth as I have learned to do in the Mojave, based on learning the exact bite point of the brakes in a lot of downhill climbs. I'm sure with some more experience in the 4xE I would figure it out, but that was my main gripe with it.

Overall a very cool experience, and cool to see the potential for where Jeep is going. I plan on keeping my 3.6 Mojave alive until it turns into a clapped out buggy build in 20 years, and the reliability and electrical gremlins in the 4xE scare me. But definitely interested in the possibilities down the road.
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Bonus pictures of Broken Arrow sights:

Devil’s Staircase. As with most obstacles, looks way easier in photo and video than real life.
Jeep Gladiator Rented a 4xE JL in AZ and wheeled it...interesting experience IMG_0789


Rented 4xE on the right in white, at Chicken Point. Side note - it seems like Pink Jeep tours does a lot for trail conservation in the area which is awesome. But, their drivers are kind of assholes and take corners pretty fast, and will make you back down to the nearest pull off. I started chatting with one of the drivers of the modified LJ remarking on how the stock Dana 30 holds up, and the driver responds with “I don’t know about that man, I just turn the keys and drive.”
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Took a trip to Sedona recently, and unfortunately, now that I live on the east coast, could not bring my Gladiator. I ended up renting a 4xE JL in Sedona and doing several trails, including the famous Broken Arrow, and it was a really interesting experience for sure.

First off, if you are ever looking to rent a Jeep in Sedona, I can't recommend Barlow Jeep Rentals enough. They have an inventory of about 6 or 7 JLs, all Rubicons, most 4xE, on Mopar 2" lifts and 35s. The staff was extremely knowledgeable about the area, the Jeeps, and off-roading, and shared their experiences and tips and tricks. They have done most of the trails in the area and will share tons of detail and maps of the area. The staff member helping me asked if I had any experience, and when I told her I've wheeled Moab, TX, and AR, she immediately slipped into "Jeep talk" nerding out with a fellow owner.

The JLR 4xE that I got was a great time, and I was glad I got to try out what these were all about, and what the future of Gladiators and Jeeps are likely to be. The staff member working with me said she couldn't wait for the 4xE to come to the Gladiator to get the increase in power over the Pentastar. Around town driving, I noticed the increase, but I didn't think it was as extreme as she had made it out to be, compared to the Mojave with stock 4.10 gears on 37s that I daily. The main difference was the extremely linear torque curve. No waiting for the engine to rev to 3500+ RPM to start putting down the power. It was very odd having the 2.0 4cyl turn off and on randomly when it needed and didn't need power, and even weirder to occasionally accelerate from a stoplight on pure battery power. The quiet hum of the motors winding was pretty neat with that wall of torque.

Side note - I went in thinking that the Mopar lift would handle like a boat, with the heavy 4xE and the basic Mopar Fox shocks that come with it. However, those shocks I thought were fantastic for a simple smooth body 2.0" shock. Before I bought my Mojave, I test drove a used Gladiator Rubicon with about 8,000 miles on it. I almost walked away from buying a Gladiator because it drove so poorly. I don't know if the regular Rubicon shocks on the Gladiator are way different, or the previous owner had just blown them out, but it was incredibly wallowy and unstable IMO. In contrast, the 4xE with the Mopar lift drove great around town, in the rocks, and on the washboard at 30 mph.

As far as wheeling with the 4xE, it was definitely something that you have to get used to. The power is fantastic on climbs and always right there. In 4LO, the 2.0 stayed mostly on, running between 2k and 3.5k rpm, based on engine load, but it rarely turned off. With the low gearing, constant torque, and the odd engine sound, when slow speed crawling it felt like driving a small diesel tractor. On easy to moderate descents, some combination of the electric motor and regenerative braking system forced the Jeep to crawl at 1-2 miles an hour - almost like a hill descent control you don't need to activate. It was super neat, until it wasn't....Coming down the Devils Staircase on Broken Arrow, I wanted to trust my right foot at creeping down the steep descent, and not just let the Jeep try and take me down. The 4xE system was not a huge fan of this, and it was extremely hard to modulate the braking at low speeds in order to creep down ledges. It wound up being a very jerky start-stop descent. Nothing that felt unsafe, just not as smooth as I have learned to do in the Mojave, based on learning the exact bite point of the brakes in a lot of downhill climbs. I'm sure with some more experience in the 4xE I would figure it out, but that was my main gripe with it.

Overall a very cool experience, and cool to see the potential for where Jeep is going. I plan on keeping my 3.6 Mojave alive until it turns into a clapped out buggy build in 20 years, and the reliability and electrical gremlins in the 4xE scare me. But definitely interested in the possibilities down the road.
Thx for you insight. sounds like an honest shake of the 4XE.
 

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Took a trip to Sedona recently, and unfortunately, now that I live on the east coast, could not bring my Gladiator. I ended up renting a 4xE JL in Sedona and doing several trails, including the famous Broken Arrow, and it was a really interesting experience for sure.

First off, if you are ever looking to rent a Jeep in Sedona, I can't recommend Barlow Jeep Rentals enough. They have an inventory of about 6 or 7 JLs, all Rubicons, most 4xE, on Mopar 2" lifts and 35s. The staff was extremely knowledgeable about the area, the Jeeps, and off-roading, and shared their experiences and tips and tricks. They have done most of the trails in the area and will share tons of detail and maps of the area. The staff member helping me asked if I had any experience, and when I told her I've wheeled Moab, TX, and AR, she immediately slipped into "Jeep talk" nerding out with a fellow owner.

The JLR 4xE that I got was a great time, and I was glad I got to try out what these were all about, and what the future of Gladiators and Jeeps are likely to be. The staff member working with me said she couldn't wait for the 4xE to come to the Gladiator to get the increase in power over the Pentastar. Around town driving, I noticed the increase, but I didn't think it was as extreme as she had made it out to be, compared to the Mojave with stock 4.10 gears on 37s that I daily. The main difference was the extremely linear torque curve. No waiting for the engine to rev to 3500+ RPM to start putting down the power. It was very odd having the 2.0 4cyl turn off and on randomly when it needed and didn't need power, and even weirder to occasionally accelerate from a stoplight on pure battery power. The quiet hum of the motors winding was pretty neat with that wall of torque.

Side note - I went in thinking that the Mopar lift would handle like a boat, with the heavy 4xE and the basic Mopar Fox shocks that come with it. However, those shocks I thought were fantastic for a simple smooth body 2.0" shock. Before I bought my Mojave, I test drove a used Gladiator Rubicon with about 8,000 miles on it. I almost walked away from buying a Gladiator because it drove so poorly. I don't know if the regular Rubicon shocks on the Gladiator are way different, or the previous owner had just blown them out, but it was incredibly wallowy and unstable IMO. In contrast, the 4xE with the Mopar lift drove great around town, in the rocks, and on the washboard at 30 mph.

As far as wheeling with the 4xE, it was definitely something that you have to get used to. The power is fantastic on climbs and always right there. In 4LO, the 2.0 stayed mostly on, running between 2k and 3.5k rpm, based on engine load, but it rarely turned off. With the low gearing, constant torque, and the odd engine sound, when slow speed crawling it felt like driving a small diesel tractor. On easy to moderate descents, some combination of the electric motor and regenerative braking system forced the Jeep to crawl at 1-2 miles an hour - almost like a hill descent control you don't need to activate. It was super neat, until it wasn't....Coming down the Devils Staircase on Broken Arrow, I wanted to trust my right foot at creeping down the steep descent, and not just let the Jeep try and take me down. The 4xE system was not a huge fan of this, and it was extremely hard to modulate the braking at low speeds in order to creep down ledges. It wound up being a very jerky start-stop descent. Nothing that felt unsafe, just not as smooth as I have learned to do in the Mojave, based on learning the exact bite point of the brakes in a lot of downhill climbs. I'm sure with some more experience in the 4xE I would figure it out, but that was my main gripe with it.

Overall a very cool experience, and cool to see the potential for where Jeep is going. I plan on keeping my 3.6 Mojave alive until it turns into a clapped out buggy build in 20 years, and the reliability and electrical gremlins in the 4xE scare me. But definitely interested in the possibilities down the road.
Did you notice what the shocks were? Were they fox branded from earlier mopar lifts, I’m guessing?
I believe the consensus is that those are vastly better than the gladiator rubicon “fox” shocks. Those are super soft.
I had a JLUR and the red shocks on that were stiffer than the gladiator fox’s.
I’m not sure how the mopar lift shocks and JLUR red shocks compare.
 
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Did you notice what the shocks were? Were they fox branded from earlier mopar lifts, I’m guessing?
I believe the consensus is that those are vastly better than the gladiator rubicon “fox” shocks. Those are super soft.
I had a JLUR and the red shocks on that were stiffer than the gladiator fox’s.
I’m not sure how the mopar lift shocks and JLUR red shocks compare.
They were the Fox branded ones that come with the Mopar 2” lift kit, I recognized them from all over the forums when people post their Mopar lifts. They are the silver and black ones with both the Fox logo, and I think they said “Jeep Performance Parts” on the top too. Way better than the red and silver Fox Rubicon shocks below, those are what were on that original Rubicon I drove. I can’t comment on the all-red shocks that some of the Rubicon JLs come with, I’ve never driven one of those. This was actually the first JL I had ever rode in or drove.
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I’m almost certain if you flip the shifter to manual mode and leave it in M1 it will remove a lot of that jerkiness you were feeling on the staircase. A little late now, but future reference.
 

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I’m almost certain if you flip the shifter to manual mode and leave it in M1 it will remove a lot of that jerkiness you were feeling on the staircase. A little late now, but future reference.
This, manual mode keeps the engine on or we hit esave, we also usually disable max Regen when off road so that it works like a regular brake pedal instead. It still uses the hybrid for braking first it's just you control how much hybrid braking force with the pedal before it also engages the pads.
 

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@NoDoorsNoProblem We will be in Sedona in May and intend to do some wheeling. We are in a stock Mojave. Any concerns about the JT length on any of the obstacles on this trail? This is only about the half way point of our trip before heading to the North Rim, and we have to drive back to Texas so not too keen on anything getting jacked up. Thanks in advance.
 

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@NoDoorsNoProblem We will be in Sedona in May and intend to do some wheeling. We are in a stock Mojave. Any concerns about the JT length on any of the obstacles on this trail? This is only about the half way point of our trip before heading to the North Rim, and we have to drive back to Texas so not too keen on anything getting jacked up. Thanks in advance.
None whatsoever. You can pick and choose all your obstacles, and nothing out there is hard. Staircase is intimidating but slow on decent and you’ll be fine.
 

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@NoDoorsNoProblem We will be in Sedona in May and intend to do some wheeling. We are in a stock Mojave. Any concerns about the JT length on any of the obstacles on this trail? This is only about the half way point of our trip before heading to the North Rim, and we have to drive back to Texas so not too keen on anything getting jacked up. Thanks in advance.
I took my stock full size ram rebel through broken arrow a few years back and the only casualty was the front license plate holder. You'll be fine in the mojave.
 

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Loved our 4xe for 2.5 years before we picked up our JT Mojave. The neck snapping acceleration is best felt with a warmed up engine in the 20-80 "highway onramp" pull when the fully charged battery, electric motor, 2.0L engine, and turbo all get synced up and pull like a freight train. Mid to high speed gravel roads were nice and comfy - the added weight really smoothed out the ride compared to our 2018 JLUR. The low speed crawling was a bit of a learning curve with the regen braking and the slight pedal delay while the clutches in the transmission engaged. The interior space was pretty sparse with the battery under the seat but still manageable. There was nothing better than crawling along silently in the woods with the top down though. When you engaged 4L, it would typically turn on the 2.0L, but if you hit the electric only button, it would shut it back off. Silent cruising was great with nothing but the sound of the tires crunching over sticks and rocks!
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