Think Im done with Jeep, guys.

[SSingh1975]

I love my oil burner but nothing bad on my bmw IX....we've already put a whooping 8k since last Nov and I'd highly recommend test driving a Rivian etc...EV is super low maintenance and the newer gen has over 350 miles+ range easily. No spark plugs, no moving parts, no tranny nor engine ...just a motor and wheels. My inlaws own 3 tesla (model x, y and S) for over 5 years and all they've done is tire changes and thats it (2 of them over 60k miles without a single issue to this day). Being the elephant in the room here but EV will be super low maintenance in the years to come as companies make them even more reliable with long range.

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[ShadowsPapa]

I love my oil burner but nothing bad on my bmw IX....we've already put a whooping 8k since last Nov and I'd highly recommend test driving a Rivian etc...EV is super low maintenance and the newer gen has over 350 miles+ range easily. No spark plugs, no moving parts, no tranny nor engine ...just a motor and wheels. My inlaws own 3 tesla (model x, y and S) for over 5 years and all they've done is tire changes and thats it (2 of them over 60k miles without a single issue to this day). Being the elephant in the room here but EV will be super low maintenance in the years to come as companies make them even more reliable with long range.

Yeah, but I can drive my Jeep half-way across the country - from Des Moines to Sarasota, FL in 24 hours, stopping only for fuel.
My son leaves his Porsche at home and flies to visit us and other family and friends.
You have to plan routes according to charging stations and time charging with your hotel stops.
I could never tow my trailer to a car show/swap meet and back with an EV. Not possible.

But now we open up the ICE vs. EV debate in yet another thread............

 

[AXISJT]

I love my oil burner but nothing bad on my bmw IX....we've already put a whooping 8k since last Nov and I'd highly recommend test driving a Rivian etc...EV is super low maintenance and the newer gen has over 350 miles+ range easily. No spark plugs, no moving parts, no tranny nor engine ...just a motor and wheels. My inlaws own 3 tesla (model x, y and S) for over 5 years and all they've done is tire changes and thats it (2 of them over 60k miles without a single issue to this day). Being the elephant in the room here but EV will be super low maintenance in the years to come as companies make them even more reliable with long range.

Ev is not for me if I was forced to get one it would be the Silverado. It has the best range. But either way I have heard to many horror stories of having to fix them especially from the rivians. I'm talking like 25k jobs. They also don't make sense for anyone who likes to take long trips in there vehicles which I do. If i was to get a second car as a city runner maybe but not asy primary vehicle.

 

[SSingh1975]

Yeah, but I can drive my Jeep half-way across the country - from Des Moines to Sarasota, FL in 24 hours, stopping only for fuel.
My son leaves his Porsche at home and flies to visit us and other family and friends.
You have to plan routes according to charging stations and time charging with your hotel stops.
I could never tow my trailer to a car show/swap meet and back with an EV. Not possible.

But now we open up the ICE vs. EV debate in yet another thread............

I'm in CA and we have super chargers like everywhere in every city. I'm in Sacramento area and have taken road trips in winter to Lake Tahoe and to LA a lot of times and public charging (FREE!) was never an issue. Had to wait for that one off Audi E Tron or that Mercededs EV but it was fun conversations too with the EV owners. All in all, paid like ZERO dollarrs since we have 2 year free charging thru Electrifying America chargers. We constantly get 330-350 miles in summer and around 250-280 miles in heavy snow and wind drag and thats still better than the gasser Rubicon .

BTW, BMW has already tested 550 miles range on their prototype in Germany last Dec in peak winter in snow so by 2026, the same IX will probably be packed with 500 miles plus battery packs with virtually zero maintenance other than brakes/tires. Not to mention, we get discounted EV charging rates from Smud company here in CA for off-peak hours (12 night to 6am). My diesel glady is now solely used to longer road trips and casual off-roading and camping trips. The IX is basically the street brute for Costco and shopping and soccer practice runs . !! I'm not advocating EV but with proper infrastructure in place, it's a no brainer (think Europe where Tesla superchargers are open to ALL EV brands unlike USA and they've been preparing EV as the future since 2020).

 

[Cburd61]

The BMW IX has been mentioned. I’ve driven a butt load of BMW leases, through the plant; Z3’s, X5’s, 330’s, even a 5 Touring wagon. The IX was just being worked into process when I retired, so, I never got to check one out. Funny thing is, I live 17.5 miles from the plant. The summer after I retired, they purchased land and started construction on a huge battery plant, 3 miles up the road from me. I told my wife, “I can’t get away from those people!”.

 

[chorky]

I love my oil burner but nothing bad on my bmw IX....we've already put a whooping 8k since last Nov and I'd highly recommend test driving a Rivian etc...EV is super low maintenance and the newer gen has over 350 miles+ range easily. No spark plugs, no moving parts, no tranny nor engine ...just a motor and wheels. My inlaws own 3 tesla (model x, y and S) for over 5 years and all they've done is tire changes and thats it (2 of them over 60k miles without a single issue to this day). Being the elephant in the room here but EV will be super low maintenance in the years to come as companies make them even more reliable with long range.

Yeah. Just wait till you have to replace that battery.....

I'm in CA and we have super chargers like everywhere in every city. I'm in Sacramento area and have taken road trips in winter to Lake Tahoe and to LA a lot of times and public charging (FREE!) was never an issue. Had to wait for that one off Audi E Tron or that Mercededs EV but it was fun conversations too with the EV owners. All in all, paid like ZERO dollarrs since we have 2 year free charging thru Electrifying America chargers. We constantly get 330-350 miles in summer and around 250-280 miles in heavy snow and wind drag and thats still better than the gasser Rubicon .

BTW, BMW has already tested 550 miles range on their prototype in Germany last Dec in peak winter in snow so by 2026, the same IX will probably be packed with 500 miles plus battery packs with virtually zero maintenance other than brakes/tires. Not to mention, we get discounted EV charging rates from Smud company here in CA for off-peak hours (12 night to 6am). My diesel glady is now solely used to longer road trips and casual off-roading and camping trips. The IX is basically the street brute for Costco and shopping and soccer practice runs . !! I'm not advocating EV but with proper infrastructure in place, it's a no brainer (think Europe where Tesla superchargers are open to ALL EV brands unlike USA and they've been preparing EV as the future since 2020).

Don't fool yourself here. You are in highly developed areas. Which is like 10% of the United States. Most areas nation wide are very rural. Big cities and developed areas having dense populations paints a very unrealistic and inaccurate picture of the US as a whole. Take a day trip 400 miles east and see what happens. Heck try going to Nevada, southeastern Oregon, or even central Idaho and see if your experience is the same. For your particular use case, if al you do is stay in highly developed areas, sure... EV will probably work fine. But for the rest of us who live in very very rural undeveloped areas sometimes without a gas station for 100 miles - you would be lucky to find a dozen ev charging places in an entire state.

It's all about perspective and use case.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I'm in CA and we have super chargers like everywhere in every city. I'm in Sacramento area and have taken road trips in winter to Lake Tahoe and to LA a lot of times and public charging (FREE!) was never an issue. Had to wait for that one off Audi E Tron or that Mercededs EV but it was fun conversations too with the EV owners. All in all, paid like ZERO dollarrs since we have 2 year free charging thru Electrifying America chargers. We constantly get 330-350 miles in summer and around 250-280 miles in heavy snow and wind drag and thats still better than the gasser Rubicon .

BTW, BMW has already tested 550 miles range on their prototype in Germany last Dec in peak winter in snow so by 2026, the same IX will probably be packed with 500 miles plus battery packs with virtually zero maintenance other than brakes/tires. Not to mention, we get discounted EV charging rates from Smud company here in CA for off-peak hours (12 night to 6am). My diesel glady is now solely used to longer road trips and casual off-roading and camping trips. The IX is basically the street brute for Costco and shopping and soccer practice runs . !! I'm not advocating EV but with proper infrastructure in place, it's a no brainer (think Europe where Tesla superchargers are open to ALL EV brands unlike USA and they've been preparing EV as the future since 2020).

You live in a fish bowl. Even 500 miles range isn't enough for what I do. And if you add weight to that so-called 550 range vehicle and the temperatures get down to 50, watch that drop to more like 350. Ranges are exaggerated for sales, and they are best case scenarios.
Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT anti-EV. They intrigue me and I follow closely. And that's how I know those numbers are a bit like EPA fuel mileage estimates - best case, ideal conditions, light load, no payload, no towing. So if I drive over into Illinois for a car show this fall, and am towing with an EV that can handle 5,000 pounds towing and go 250 miles just to get there. Guess what......... I'm calling AAA to be towed to a charging station probably 50+ miles away.
Yup, you live in a fish bowl.
And of course, you are suggesting that someone go from a truck to an SUV.
If they can do that, they never really needed the truck to begin with so why did they buy it and not an electric SUV?

Did you see where the push for charging stations has lost steam and Tesla has fired much of their super charger team?

 

[dmwphoto]

this thread has run amuck....

 

[ShadowsPapa]

this thread has run amuck....

Yeah, just like the Jeep that has water in the transmission - it ran amuck. Or was that through a muck?

Anyone done with Gladiator has a lot of decent choices for a light truck. All companies have some interesting and capable offerings.
And if it's not a light truck they need or want, then why was the Gladiator bought to begin with and not just some other vehicle?
I bought a JT because I need a small but capable truck. I guess I don't understand when someone dumps the JT for some other vehicle that is not in any way a truck. Why buy the JT to begin with and not a JLU or JL?
And if you need to tow but don't need a truck bed, go Grand Cherokee. Great MPG, great capabilities, superior in snow and a good tow number (the 2021 we had was capable of towing 6,200 pounds!)

Maybe some find they didn't really need a truck at all and have other regrets.

Bad luck with one single vehicle doesn't mean the whole line is crap.
Look at those who say "I'm done with Ford" or "I'm done with Toyota" - they are out there.

 

[AXISJT]

Yeah, just like the Jeep that has water in the transmission - it ran amuck. Or was that through a muck?

Anyone done with Gladiator has a lot of decent choices for a light truck. All companies have some interesting and capable offerings.
And if it's not a light truck they need or want, then why was the Gladiator bought to begin with and not just some other vehicle?
I bought a JT because I need a small but capable truck. I guess I don't understand when someone dumps the JT for some other vehicle that is not in any way a truck. Why buy the JT to begin with and not a JLU or JL?
And if you need to tow but don't need a truck bed, go Grand Cherokee. Great MPG, great capabilities, superior in snow and a good tow number (the 2021 we had was capable of towing 6,200 pounds!)

Maybe some find they didn't really need a truck at all and have other regrets.

Bad luck with one single vehicle doesn't mean the whole line is crap.
Look at those who say "I'm done with Ford" or "I'm done with Toyota" - they are out there.

Hopefully I can get the thread back on track today with what I actually posted about. I am supposed to be receiving a call today from Jeepcares so hopefully I can provide updates

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Hopefully I can get the thread back on track today with what I actually posted about. I am supposed to be receiving a call today from Jeepcares so hopefully I can provide updates

Please do!

 

[ArchEtech]

Sorry to hear about your dealer troubles. It’s not a Jeep/FCA thing, some dealers just sucks. I’d had good and back experience with Cadillac dealers with my CTSV. I’ve had good and bad dealer experience at Audi. Audi is the biggest rip off ever, $250/hr to do anything inflated times for simple shit. One of my local Dodge/jeep dealers is total shit and the same way with their other brands. I bought my Jeep at the other local dealership who also has Fire right next door, they are huge but have always been great. It sucks when you don’t have choices. The issues with the Diesels have to get to class action at some point with the level of things I’m only recently reading about, and turbos not being covered under power train is total bullshit. They are not more a wear item than the crank shaft. They are not a maintenance item.

odd to me people still argue that EV is such a panacea. I’m not a hater, I had a Model 3 performance and it was a great car. Not really any complaints. Now any saving in gas a maintenance I lost because the resale value completely tanked….and then some so it really wasn’t a savings at all over driving any regular ole car…..

Actual range at 80mph is was less than manufacturers and EPA estimates. Actual range in very cold climates is 29-30% less. It’s still perfectly usable but I wouldn’t want to travel long distance regularly, for in town it’s perfect. For rural remote areas EV is simply not viable. People in big city bubbles forget about everyone else. Hell as a fisherman, I drove my old tundra not my Tesla. I didn’t want to get stuck in some small town looking for an outlet……

Out of warranty that 7 year old Tesla with 80,000 miles is a salvaged vehicle now. The battery replacement is more than the car is worth. That’s why i traded it for a Jeep Rubicon for $14,000 of sticker. When battery replacements are possible by shops other than dealers and manufacturers, and there are generic swaps and open programming platforms then maybe…….right now EV are throw away cars. No one is going to be driving 25 year old Teslas in the deserts of the Middle East like old Toyota pickups…there is a reason for that.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

No one is going to be driving 25 year old Teslas in the deserts of the Middle East like old Toyota pickups…there is a reason for that.

You can't mount machine guns and carry 10 people on the back of a Tesla - they'll never be the choice of Hamas or ISIS.

 

[RoamingGladiator]

this thread has run amuck....

I blame Brennanglad. ?

I've lucked out with my local dealership... I've owned Jeeps since I could drive and always went to the same dealership, they've been stellar to deal with. They know I wheel and I'm fully transparent with them all mods I do to the vehicle, they work with me to warranty anything that I haven't significantly modified.

I can't complain in the end.

 

[AXISJT]

So Quick update I didn't hear from @JeepCares at all last week when they were supposed to call so I messaged them here. They responded last Thursday saying I will be contacted in 2-3 days. Its now Wednesday the Next week and I contacted them again asking what's going on and they responded with the same copy-and-paste message saying 2-3 days lol.

So I spoke to someone once on April 29th when they said they would call my dealer and try to figure out what's going on and would call back in 2 days, and I have not heard anything since.

So that is where things are at right now

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