Think Im done with Jeep, guys.

[Rusty PW]

#4 is nothing and common. Treat with converter and use chassis paint. We get that sort of thing hitting the packed snow from plows around here.

Some of the rest looks like it was literally sitting in flood waters near the ocean.



That's absolutely something goofy - it does look like it's been damaged in a flood. I'd not even accept one that had that much rust on those areas. Some of it - yeah, I get and isn't really abnormal for trucks untreated, some of that, though, is not normal rust damage.
Looks like salt or chemical damage for sure - it's not normal by any stretch, only #4 is what I call just par for the course on a truck these days.

This isn't normal Jeep - this is absolutely abnormal. It's not factory in any way. I'd say storage or shipping damage, even chemical damage.
It's not the normal surface rust that forms on bare steel - it's too rough for that.

Look at other parts. See the corrosion on the transfer case? Looks like the everything on the frame got hit with a heavy salt spray.

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[AmishMike]

Amen Mother F.....

Adois Mother F.....

#2 for the win!
I read about 3 things on page 3. The rest is someone’s last Jeep sob story.
A.M.F.
Heck, I don’t even follow this thread.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Look at other parts. See the corrosion on the transfer case? Looks like the everything on the frame got hit with a heavy salt spray.

That's my point - #4 is no big deal, but the rest looks like chemical corrosion. NOT normal patina from bare steel exposed to water. It even looks almost flaky in spots. That's chemical, (salt is a chemical, so it's included)
That's not a Jeep factory thing - that's after it was built, it was exposed to something really nasty.

 

[biodiesel]

That's not a Jeep factory thing - that's after it was built, it was exposed to something really nasty.

Nor is that a Jeep problem. That is a dealer problem. The dealership is supposed to check these things during PDI (pre-delivery inspection).

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Nor is that a Jeep problem. That is a dealer problem. The dealership is supposed to check these things during PDI (pre-delivery inspection).

And I'm probably the only person who walks around a new vehicle, opens and closes every door, looks under and in things, under the vehicle, before driving off.
Not sure how obvious this was right on the day of pickup, but I'd bet some clues were there - that's some serious stuff there.

 

[biodiesel]

And I'm probably the only person who walks around a new vehicle, opens and closes every door, looks under and in things, under the vehicle, before driving off.

I must admit, I have bought a few vehicles sight unseen. I ordered our 2020 Ram EcoDiesel in March of 2020 from a dealership in Utah. It arrived in Utah at the end of July. I had the dealer ship it to me at the beginning of August, but it was paid for before it left the lot in Utah.

We put down a deposit on our 2023 Gladiator EcoDiesel with a dealership in Arizona based off an internet sale. The dealer wouldn't let me 'buy' the vehicle over the phone, so we had to drive 4 hours to sign the paperwork. I didn't even test drive the Jeep. We signed the papers and drove it back home. I explain to the dealers what I expect and so far, I've always gotten what was promised.

 

[AXISJT]

Said I would post exact what there service provider said a couple days ago sorry just getting to it.

Jeep cares said they are going to open a case but they are slow moving I get one message a day from them so will see how it goes. But it clearly says turbo needs to be replaced so it should be covered.

 

[Uparms]

its THE ELECTRICAL STUFF THAT WILL PUSH ME AWAY FROM MODERN JEEPS AND THIS JT. mY 6TH JEEP AND MY SECOND jt.

 

[cranbiz]

And I'm probably the only person who walks around a new vehicle, opens and closes every door, looks under and in things, under the vehicle, before driving off.
Not sure how obvious this was right on the day of pickup, but I'd bet some clues were there - that's some serious stuff there.

Not only did I walk around it as well as crawl through and under my Gladiator, I had my buddy, who is a far grumpier old white guy than I am do the same thing. Armed with info from the forum, we made sure it didn't have any of the issues found to be problematic on a 2021.

We had them fix a whole bunch of little shit (paint chips and such) before I took delivery.

 

[Escape.idiocracy]

NoX drift would be only guess, but don’t know what he was seeing or the requested steps. Up until recently Cummins only had an abnormal update rate fault and a power ckt fault which I’ve never seen that particular one. NoX could have a bias and drift and never know it until too late in some cases. It would trim DEF injection rate up or down based on that drift. As for doing both, smart play on the techs part unless low mileage they should be changed in pairs. Worse case module can’t rationalize what’s happening and oversaturate or just freak, best case it gets conversion efficiency faults and next tech “thinks” the SCR has failed. Me personally believe NoX sensor should treated as a regular maint item just like an O2 in gas engines based on the fact both can and eventually will get lazy.

What are you seeing as a common milage mark for wear to replace?

 

[ZeeJay]

What are you seeing as a common milage mark for wear to replace?

Well….without exposure to this specific product, in this specific application I can only guess. The calibration may very well watch drift and at some point trigger a fault for drift, if it does then honestly no proactive steps are necessary. I just know more than one OEM systems do not watch drift, which seems silly not too. This also depends greatly on the conditions engine operates in. My default would be 150K. I get there based on engine TBO with maintenance is(should be) 300K, maybe more, maybe less but in the neighborhood of all goes well. So that would be the mid life point. Now….mid life….thats a whole other discussion.

 

[AXISJT]

UPDATE:

JeepCares just called me. Dont have high hopes. She tried to say the emissions warranty is no longer valid since I am over 70k and I asked her to explain to me why If a turbo has to be replaced and it clearly states in the powertrain the turbo is covered why is it not falling under that.

She put me on hold and came back and said it could be a few things. It could be a certain part and not the actual turbo itself, or it could be from an outside influence. I asked what is an outside influence supposed to mean.

She said they would have to schedule a service appointment to determine that. I told her that has already been done they stated clearly on their paperwork the entire turbo must be replaced and there was no outside influence mentioned in the work done. She said "oh" like she didn't know it had already been for service and that she would call them and get back to me in the next 2 business days.

She was trying to offer me some copay or something for the part and work.

Not feeling too confident. So far they seem incompetent and the fact they can't clearly explain to me why an item clearly stated in the powertrain isn't being covered for some reason with a clear valid reason is very annoying.

 

[biodiesel]

@AXISJT, I would suggest taking it to a different dealership. Without a question, the turbo falls under the 5 year/100,000-mile powertrain. Your dealer is either too incompetent to submit the warranty claim to the area warranty manager for approval or the area manager denied warranty until the dealer tech follows diagnostic procedures.

Another dealership might be more competent.

 

[RoamingGladiator]

@AXISJT, I would suggest taking it to a different dealership. Without a question, the turbo falls under the 5 year/100,000-mile powertrain. Your dealer is either too incompetent to submit the warranty claim to the area warranty manager for approval or the area manager denied warranty until the dealer tech follows diagnostic procedures.

Another dealership might be more competent.

Spoke to my service manager this morning for an unrelated issue and asked about the turbo warranty, they stated it's 100% covered under the powertrain warranty. It's not considered an emissions component.

100% agree with Biodiesel, find another dealership. This one likely just does not want to do the work or has no idea what they're talking about.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

100% agree with Biodiesel, find another dealership. This one likely just does not want to do the work or has no idea what they're talking about.

Frankly I'd not want them working on it anyway if they are trying that hard to make the customer go away or pay extra. It's sounding more like one of those times where a shop will make it so difficult that a customer leaves - because they don't know how or don't want to work on a diesel engine.

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