Any Idea of 2025 Announcement Date?

[Jrgunn5150]

Current build schedule doesn't have 24 build out completed until mid October.

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[Geoarch]

My friends and I rented a Wrangler 4XE for a couple weeks back in May. Honestly I was not a huge fan. It was gutless when the battery was dead, only had 17 miles of EV range, and because of where we were staying there was nowhere to plug it in so we were stuck with the dead battery.

I will say the one thing I liked was the max regen mode, it was like having little baby Jake brakes. I almost wonder if it'd be worth it to develop a system similar to the regen system on EVs for normal ICE vehicles that charges capacitors and then just uses them to get going again. Less weight but able to capture and reuse some of that braking energy normally lost to heat.

We had a different experience with a rented 2024 Wrangler 4XE on the Big Island. I didn't notice the "gutlessness" but I have a 3.6L, and the mileage was great. We have a 4 mile rocky 4WD trail to one of our favorite beaches, and it seemed similar to my JTR with the advantage of a shorter wheelbase.

 

[Dave-in-RI]

The 2025 is not going to really be different. Same 3.6., same 8 speed trans, much of the 24 interior, frame, suspension, steering will all be the same. I have no reason to traded won't till there is a reason unless it's to something different like a RaptorR or even a GX550. But nothing has the character of my modded Gladiator.

I'm hoping to see the 4xe and/or Bikini.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

My friends and I rented a Wrangler 4XE for a couple weeks back in May. Honestly I was not a huge fan. It was gutless when the battery was dead, only had 17 miles of EV range, and because of where we were staying there was nowhere to plug it in so we were stuck with the dead battery.

I will say the one thing I liked was the max regen mode, it was like having little baby Jake brakes. I almost wonder if it'd be worth it to develop a system similar to the regen system on EVs for normal ICE vehicles that charges capacitors and then just uses them to get going again. Less weight but able to capture and reuse some of that braking energy normally lost to heat.

We've owned one since mid January, 2023.
26 range, 24 is more realistic with our hills all around us, but my wife has actually gotten over 25 out of the battery alone.
No need to charge the battery - why care? It's a hybrid.
We drove pretty much non-stop to Sarasota, then to St. Augustine, only having charged it at home. Then in St. Augustine we charged up at my son's house (using his EV charger) and drove non-stop back home, stopping only for gas and about a 4 hour nap at a rest area - only on the hybrid system.
It's crazy how long a tank of gas lasts my wife, and most of her driving is actually on the battery.
Hardly gutless! If you want full torque - keep it in 4 high auto. Otherwise it will limit torque in just 2 wheel drive.
We drove it through mountains and it rarely downshifted - compared to my gutless JT on the exact same highways.

My gut tells me the PHEV version won't be until 2025 - in fact, FCA has said as much - 2025, not 2025 model year in 2024. So I don't look for it with the new models in October, but could be wrong, of course.

 

[legacy_etu]

I'm hoping to see the 4xe and/or Bikini.

I've been seeing a ton of Tuscudero lately.

 

[RedTRex]

Even base Hurricane would be fantastic..

I'd also hope it helps drive down the CAFE number to keep some hi-po gas options available. Stellantis is getting destroyed on CAFE fines. A Mojave with the HO Hurricane from the Ram would be insanely fun but won't happen if they're still forking over billions to Uncle Sam annually.

 

[biodiesel]

Even base Hurricane would be fantastic..

Is the Hurricane finally confirmed for the Gladiator?

 

[Mr._Bill]

Is the Hurricane finally confirmed for the Gladiator?

No.

 

[biodiesel]

No.

I miss Sergio Marchionne. Back in the day, FCA would publish the 5-year plan. Sergio was way more transparent and things like this wasn't so secretive. There's been very little information about the future of Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Ram under Carlos Tavares and his leadership.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I miss Sergio Marchionne. Back in the day, FCA would publish the 5-year plan. Sergio was way more transparent and things like this wasn't so secretive. There's been very little information about the future of Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Ram under Carlos Tavares and his leadership.

With unsold 23's still on lots and a poorly estimated 6 month supply of 24's, and their unwillingness to cut prices or increase incentives, hard to make and adhere to a five year plan.

Seemingly their 5 year plan was mark up the exact same platform 20% each year forever lol.

I'm glad I left Stellantis when I did, you should see how they're preying on their suppliers now because they're hemorrhaging money.

 

[biodiesel]

With unsold 23's still on lots and a poorly estimated 6 month supply of 24's, and their unwillingness to cut prices or increase incentives, hard to make and adhere to a five year plan.

Seemingly their 5 year plan was mark up the exact same platform 20% each year forever lol.

I'm glad I left Stellantis when I did, you should see how they're preying on their suppliers now because they're hemorrhaging money.

Based on interviews that I've read/heard with Carlos Tavares, he doesn't understand marketing in the same way that Sergio did. Carlos is now feeling the pressure to stepdown after a series of missteps and poor decision-making. It's a shame, really. Sergio did a good job of building U.S. brands while using shared technology to keep vehicles affordable, yet profitable.

Now, there seems to be a lack of vision, weak marketability, and poor communication within Stellantis. Ram went from having the best Super Bowl commercials to the weakest Super Bowl Commercial in 2024. Chrysler has nothing left but one vehicle. Dodge has lost all the excitement. Ram HD has the most outdated truck in their segment. Jeep is dealing with declining sales, lack of product interest, and losing customer loyalty.

Not to sound like a broken record, but the lack of a 5-year plan tells me that Stellantis doesn't have a good plan, nor do they have anything that is very exciting. It's hard to believe, but the Hurricane engine was started under Sergio Marchionne. At that time, Sergio wanted the Hurricane to go into the Wrangler. And he died in July of 2018. So here we are, 6 years later, and we still don't have the Hurricane in the Wrangler or the Gladiator, even though Sergio had it planned.

 

[kevman65]

Stellantis isn't ready yet.

Don't know about the Canada plant and if those batteries can even come to the States.
But the Kokomo, Indiana Battery Plant 1 is running a couple of lines. Nothing is leaving the plant, it's all for diagnostics and setting the machinery up. Plant 2 is nowhere near production.

So, they don't have the batteries to put in the vehicles.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

With unsold 23's still on lots and a poorly estimated 6 month supply of 24's, and their unwillingness to cut prices or increase incentives, hard to make and adhere to a five year plan.

Seemingly their 5 year plan was mark up the exact same platform 20% each year forever lol.

I'm glad I left Stellantis when I did, you should see how they're preying on their suppliers now because they're hemorrhaging money.

The left-over 23s is regional. You aren't going to find 'em around here - not in any numbers, and certainly not what you would want. Local dealers have none. The dealer I've been using hasn't had any since about March, so they aren't exactly swimming in 2023 inventory.

Can't say the prices are really up with the 24 model year. If I take the MSRP of my 2022 Overland, and add the equipment I put on it either factory or later, and then price out a 2024 Mojave X, I'd get more for less money.
In other words, by the time I take my 2022 MSRP and add equipment to it and add it all up, a Mojave X is actually CHEAPER - plus it's a Mojave.
So while the 2024 stickers look scary - do the math, it's pretty much a wash for a lot of people, but they are limiting things badly - you can't get the SelecTrac unless you get an X model, for example. To get what I have, you must step up a level.
The middle is gone.
And that's what hurts a lot of people.
The current interest rates, and having to start out with everything instead of slowly adding it later is one thing that's held me back (besides my health, not allowing me to do all of the equipment swapping from my 22 to a 24. I'd have to hire most of it done)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Stellantis isn't ready yet.

Don't know about the Canada plant and if those batteries can even come to the States.
But the Kokomo, Indiana Battery Plant 1 is running a couple of lines. Nothing is leaving the plant, it's all for diagnostics and setting the machinery up. Plant 2 is nowhere near production.

So, they don't have the batteries to put in the vehicles.

Dealers must be ready as well. It takes a lot of equipment, tools and training for a shop to deal with the 4xe lineup that exists.
They can't just turn anyone loose with them, and, there are special lifts and equipment for certain functions. (transmission replacement on a 2023 JLU 4xe is a body-off process and requires special training - just as an example)

 

[Jrgunn5150]

The left-over 23s is regional. You aren't going to find 'em around here - not in any numbers, and certainly not what you would want. Local dealers have none. The dealer I've been using hasn't had any since about March, so they aren't exactly swimming in 2023 inventory.

133 in a 200 mile radius is none.

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