Any Idea of 2025 Announcement Date?

[Jrgunn5150]

Historically, whomever owns Jeep get's bought, and all the divisions killed, until only Jeep is left, and the cycle repeats.

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[Redfour5]

I agree with you, however, it seems that a large number of vehicle buyers don't plan to keep their vehicles outside the warranty period. I sometimes think high repair costs are intentional to encourage people to trade just to keep the revolving door open.

It's amazing how many households are programmed to pay a monthly payment on a vehicle for the majority of their lives. It's now common for households to be paying between $735 - $1,470 per month.

So yes, I wouldn't buy a 4XE because the cost of ownership could be costly to keep for 20+ years, but more and more buyers don't plan to keep their vehicles for more than 4 - 5 years. Compare that to a few decades ago when the vast majority kept vehicles for 10 - 14 years. What changed? Consumerism for sure has changed, but also the cost to keep modern vehicles is very expensive, and that's a cost/hassle that many Americans don't want to go through, especially when they are living paycheck to paycheck.

I bought new and have a 2019 Cherokee Elite Pckg (wife's) almost paid off, a 22 2500 Laramie and a 2023 Gladiator and pay less than 1470 a month. Two of them were like at 3% interest rates but even the Gladiator is 7. I put maybe 3K down on each of them went with the 84 month deals for cash flow but usually pay off (Cherokee) the last year although I might use that to whack the Gladiator payment length of term this time. I mean if they are practically going to give me money, I'll take it on the 3% loans...

I have wanted a Gladiator since they first came out but too expensive, finally at 30% off last Dec I jumped.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Historically, whomever owns Jeep get's bought, and all the divisions killed, until only Jeep is left, and the cycle repeats.

Historically - you must be referring to the Chrysler buyout of AMC. That's one event, and I don't really call that historically as Chrysler Corp has been passed around like a rotten potato and all parts have stayed with Jeep.
The only reason for the bit you refer to is that -

* AMC was producing only two products by 1987 - Eagle Wagon, Jeep vehicles.

* Iacocca wanted one thing when he raped and pillaged AMC - the Grand Cherokee AMC had developed. I know this first-hand from a design engineer who worked there and was in the rooms at the time. (and some engine designs AMC had coming, but had not yet brought to production due to Renault sucking all the cash out of the company like they always do)

So there was nothing to kill off - the Eagle was already long in tooth and sales falling by that point. Cash poor, AMC wasn't able to get the magnum-type engine designs to production.
Chrysler did keep the Eagle name alive for a while, sticking it on an import, but Chrysler was still suffering from quite a few issues and had to slim things down.
By the time Iacocca pillaged AMC, Jeep was pretty much all that was left. There wasn't anything else to shut down. AMC had already sold off some other companies they owned - Wheel Horse, a plastics company that made interior parts for themselves, Ford and others, AM General (that had to be sold off because of Renault being foreign, and the military contracts AM General had), and so on.

After that, Jeep has stayed with Chrysler. Daimler Chrysler, FCA, etc..


I still go back to - why in the hell would Stellantis sell off the only thing keeping them alive?
it makes no sense and I can't see how anyone figures a company would sell off the only thing keeping them afloat. It's silly - or worse.
Why still the talk of Stellantis selling Jeep?
They'd go bust!
You simply don't sell the one product line that actually makes money and keep the stuff that's sinking you.
You terminate the lines that are pulling you down, that are unprofitable, and keep the rest.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

When is the last time you saw a Kaiser?

Or Willy's?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

When is the last time you saw a Kaiser?

Or Willy's?

When AMC bought Jeep, that was all there was. There wasn't anything to discard as Kaiser, using the Willys name, made only Jeeps, phasing out all else before the 1960s.
So really, only when Kaiser and Willys merged, that was the only time all else was discarded.
Willys already dropped everything, it was not the result of any buyout or merger.
It was their decision alone, in the mid-40s, years before the Kaiser merger.
So you can't count not seeing a Willys as a result of Jeep being bought. Like AMC did - they killed off their own car lines.
Willys stopped making anything but Jeep in the 40s, AMC stopped making anything but the Eagle and Jeep by about 83, I believe, and Eagle was dead by the time Chrysler got there.

Chrysler bought AMC because they wholly owned Jeep. By that time, that's all there was Jeep and the dead Eagle, already dead by the time Chrysler bought them. The tooling was old, toast, there wasn't anything but Jeep.

So if you want to say historically, it's one time, in the early 1950s, when Kaiser, maker of cars, and Willys, maker of Jeeps, merged and Kaiser killed off their cars and went strictly to Jeeps. By the time AMC bought them - it was only Jeep, nothing to discard.
Willys was strictly Jeep by the mid-40s, no cars.

When Chrysler bought AMC, there was only the Jeep/Eagle line and the Eagle was already dead after an 8 year run.

So I guess, historically, there is one time that a company was bought to get Jeep and all other car lines were discarded - during the Kaiser/Willys-Overland merger.

So yeah, nitpicking, if you want to call it that, but it was really only the Kaiser/Willys-Overland merger, shortly after that, that Kaiser dropped their car lines. Kaiser was operating under the Willys name, so that may be why it gets a bit confusing.
No one killed Willys cars but Willys, long before.

Fast forward past Kaiser/Willys-Overland merger, no one really killed off anything after getting their hands on Jeep.
Chrysler did keep some AMC engineers, used some of their engine engineering for themselves and used a number of AMC ideas.

(having owned AMC vehicles since the early 1970s, I'm sort of an AMC history buff and have access to some rather rare materials, as well as a friend who is a VAM historian who has shared the development of the 4.0 engine and other information (the 4.0 was actually a VAM idea, to start with. AMC had no money left to put it in cars, and all they made was the Eagle, a dead line anyway by the time the 4.0 came out)

 

[BigRed2020]

I would assume we will hear something soon… we still have SEMA and the L.A. Auto show. I would hope they will have something sooner than later and not wait till E.J.S.

 

[Jobofly]

I was really hoping they would be on the lots before the end of this year so I can get a gladiator 4xe

 

[biodiesel]

I was really hoping they would be on the lots before the end of this year so I can get a gladiator 4xe

Has the 4xe been confirmed for 2025?

 

[Mr._Bill]

Has the 4xe been confirmed for 2025?

The 4xe was confirmed for 2025. They were not real clear as to whether it was a 2025 model or just going to be available sometime in 2025.

 

[Dave-in-RI]

I'm still waiting on bikini! If they go bikini + 4xe, game set match

 

[Jrgunn5150]

I was really hoping they would be on the lots before the end of this year so I can get a gladiator 4xe

Looking like Jan deliveries per IHS.

 

[Minty JL]

Dealers don't even have information on the 25MY yet..........so another late release for the consumer.

As far as payments go...........$800-1400 a month for 60-84 months is plain out right stupid.

The only reason my payment is $1300 a month, is because I put nothing down other then tax/title/tag and financed for 36 months on my '23 JTM at 4.9% with NavyFed with an 816 score. I also got it for like 8% under invoice, so I had equity when I drove off the lot. I Have cash in hand, just building status with them like I did with AMEX. I come from the old school, if you can't pay for it in cash or have the reserves to do so...... don't do it.

 

[Iam_Gladiator]

I'm hoping to see the 4xe and/or Bikini.

Brings up a good point, the other mid-size truck options have better powertrain choices right now. If they do go into 2025 with the same V6, it might continue the trend now with excess inventory sitting on lots.

 

[Iam_Gladiator]

Sergio was a force of nature. He implemented much of what FCA did correctly into existence by sheer will and blunt, plain talk. Tavares OTOH is no more than a typical custodial CEO who doesn't make waves, and it shows. Stellantis is mismanaging the USDM brands horrifically, and its stock is 40% or so off its YTD high. There will be a reckoning if things don't turn around soon, but I don't see Tavares as the one to right the ship.

I think in the near future Jeep and Ram get sold to another big hitter, with Chrysler and Dodge sadly going the way of the dodo. My money is on VW.

VWAG has the new Scout EV on the horizon, their BEV tech seems to be very stable and well received. Scout would be a competitor to a BEV Wrangler but otherwise would exist is in a class of its own. The JLU, JT, Grand Cherokee, Wagoneer and Ram full size trucks have zero overlap with the current VW lineup in the US market. And- they may have enough NA plants after a merger/acquisition that could be a good way to avoid the hated Chicken Tax.

So the only thing I can understand is the EV tax credit that they were paying. That was understood that needed to stop and was not sustainable, what I don’t understand is coming in late to the game for EV’s and seemingly not having a plan for the Brand. You want to scrap the V8, OK but you better have something in place that customers are gonna want. Stop pricing out your base.

 

[Jrgunn5150]

The joke around the office when they tried to merge with Renault was FCA's electrification plan was to merge with Renault lol.

Seems that's true, and now they're playing catch up.

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