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Why would they still have a NEW 2023 still sitting on the lot??
After a full year
.you’d think it should be considered ‘used’.

Make sure you pull a carfax report
.. I’ve heard (in the past) of people buying cars and returning them soon after the sale. Dealerships will turn around and sell them as if they’re still ‘new’ to the next buyer.
 
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Why would they still have a NEW 2023 still sitting on the lot??
After a full year
.you’d think it should be considered ‘used’.

Make sure you pull a carfax report
.. I’ve heard (in the past) of people buying cars and returning them soon after the sale. Dealerships will turn around and sell them as if they’re still ‘new’ to the next buyer.
You could find quite a few 2023's here in South Florida as late as Feb 2025. Even now in April, my nearest dealer (Miami Lakes CDRJ) still has a Gladiator Diesel listed. Up the road a few miles, Autonation CDRJ has four 2023's listed; three Gladiators and one Wagoneer. Another CDRJ (Aventura, North Miami Beach) has 21, yes, 21 2023's listed including a couple of Gladiators, Wagoneers and Durango Hellcats.

I asked a dealer when I was buying mine back in January why there were so many 2023's out there and he simply said there are incentives for the dealer to move the 2023's but offers such as the 20% off MSRP thing was strictly on 2024 models. I told him I thought the 2023's should have an even bigger discount but he said to read the details on the discount and it only applied to 2024's.
 

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Why would they still have a NEW 2023 still sitting on the lot??
After a full year
.you’d think it should be considered ‘used’.
That's not how it works. It's a NEW vehicle until sold, and sometimes the prices keep going up instead of going down. For example, I remember when dealers had NEW Dodge Vipers on the showroom floor for 3 - 4 years after they were discontinued. The prices kept going up because of the rarity. All Dodge Vipers eventually got sold, but it took several years before the last Viper to sell. I think the last Viper sold was 7 years old.
 
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That's not how it works. It's a NEW vehicle until sold, and sometimes the prices keep going up instead of going down. For example, I remember when dealers had NEW Dodge Vipers on the showroom floor for 3 - 4 years after they were discontinued. The prices kept going up because of the rarity. All Dodge Vipers eventually got sold, but it took several years for before the last Viper to sell. I think the last Viper sold was 7 years old.
Keeping inventory too long
.doesn’t help your cash flow, revenue/bottom line (from a business standpoint).

If there were 3,000 dealerships in the U.S. with 15 Jeeps sitting on the lot each
..at $45,000 each - that’s over $2 million dollars just sitting on the pavement.
 

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Make sure you pull a carfax report
.. I’ve heard (in the past) of people buying cars and returning them soon after the sale. Dealerships will turn around and sell them as if they’re still ‘new’ to the next buyer.
The only way that would show up on a Carfax is if a MSO got turned in for a state title. The only legal way they could then sell it new again is if the MSO was never turned in for a state title.
 

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Why would they still have a NEW 2023 still sitting on the lot??
After a full year
.you’d think it should be considered ‘used’.

Make sure you pull a carfax report
.. I’ve heard (in the past) of people buying cars and returning them soon after the sale. Dealerships will turn around and sell them as if they’re still ‘new’ to the next buyer.
There was a stop sale on the diesel for most of 2023, dealers weren't allowed to sell any until the HPFP recall was fixed. For a lot of dealers they didn't even get fixed until 2024. Then jeep discounted the 24s, so people had the choice of a $65k 2023 diesel, or a $45k-$50k gasser with the new big screen.
 

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Why would they still have a NEW 2023 still sitting on the lot??
After a full year
.you’d think it should be considered ‘used’.

Make sure you pull a carfax report
.. I’ve heard (in the past) of people buying cars and returning them soon after the sale. Dealerships will turn around and sell them as if they’re still ‘new’ to the next buyer.
"You've heard" - and that's about it. It's been titled so can't be sold as new. Even a dealer won't have the "title".
All one has to do is look to see if it's a title application or transfer, and - the miles.

Carfax also isn't the best way to know because they only get what is reported.

Be careful in what "you hear".

Likely the stop sale on the fuel pump issue caused them to sit there for a year - can't legally sell such a vehicle until the recall is performed. It left a lot of people - and dealers - screwed over for many months!
 
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Keeping inventory too long
.doesn’t help your cash flow, revenue/bottom line (from a business standpoint).

If there were 3,000 dealerships in the U.S. with 15 Jeeps sitting on the lot each
..at $45,000 each - that’s over $2 million dollars just sitting on the pavement.
Not sure where you are getting your numbers from but a dealer with 15 vehicles at 45,000 has $675,000 for that part of their inventory. At a commercial interest rate of 8%, that is $54,000 annually in interest (slightly under $150 per day to keep them on the lot). Spread that $54,000 over 15 cars and you have $3,650 per car per year.

Car dealerships pay literally millions in interest each year. Of course dealerships vary in size but here in South Florida, they commonly have between 500 to 1200 cars on the lot at any point in time (or in the multi-floor garages when they run out of surface lot space), not counting their used car operations. Even at a "smaller" dealership with 500 or so new cars at $30,000 each, there is a daily charge of $4,000 or more just to cover the interest charges. Factor in the used cars and the amount continues to grow.
 

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Why would they still have a NEW 2023 still sitting on the lot??
After a full year
.you’d think it should be considered ‘used’.

Make sure you pull a carfax report
.. I’ve heard (in the past) of people buying cars and returning them soon after the sale. Dealerships will turn around and sell them as if they’re still ‘new’ to the next buyer.
Federal law states once the vehicle is sold it is no longer on a mso it's used also if it has 1200 miles tge dealer has yo turn so into a title so it's used at that point
 

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Federal law states once the vehicle is sold it is no longer on a mso it's used also if it has 1200 miles tge dealer has yo turn so into a title so it's used at that point
Yes..perhaps that is the laws now-a-days. But as a ‘consumer’ - I’d cover my ass and look into anything to justify that its’s new. Personally, I wouldn’t buy a vehicle that’s been sitting on the lot for a year.

And if someone does buy a vehicle that was on the lot for that long
.. the buyer should make sure (force) the dealership to give you the factory 3/36 warranty from the time you drive off the lot (and document mileage). Dealerships will try to wiggle their way out of coverage after only 2 years
.

Sorry
..I don’t trust anything these days. You’ve gotta CYA

 

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Yes..perhaps that is the laws now-a-days. But as a ‘consumer’ - I’d cover my ass and look into anything to justify that its’s new. Personally, I wouldn’t buy a vehicle that’s been sitting on the lot for a year.

And if someone does buy a vehicle that was on the lot for that long
.. the buyer should make sure (force) the dealership to give you the factory 3/36 warranty from the time you drive off the lot (and document mileage). Dealerships will try to wiggle their way out of coverage after only 2 years
.

Sorry
..I don’t trust anything these days. You’ve gotta CYA

Just so you understand warranty on a"new car" starts when it's sold no matter how long it's been sitting on the lot and starts with mileage as of day it was sold. That's why if they have over 1200 miles it's considered used and dealer has to title vehicle in there name. I bought a Hellcat last year was a 2022 was new 36 miles and it came with full factory warranty. A reputable dealer won't try to wiggle out of the factory warranty there getting paid to do that work any franchised dealer of that brand has to honor that warranty even if it's not the dealer you bought it from.
 

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Not sure where you are getting your numbers from but a dealer with 15 vehicles at 45,000 has $675,000 for that part of their inventory. At a commercial interest rate of 8%, that is $54,000 annually in interest (slightly under $150 per day to keep them on the lot). Spread that $54,000 over 15 cars and you have $3,650 per car per year.
You’re not collecting any interest when the vehicles aren’t sold (Sitting on the lots).

I don’t know how the dealership/Stellantis structure works - but if each dealership (its own entity/business) is buying the vehicles from Stellantis (huge loans), then they’re paying Stallantis interest for those loans. You can’t pay off your loans when the vehicles are sitting on the lots
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You’re not collecting any interest when the vehicles aren’t sold (Sitting on the lots).

I don’t know how the dealership/Stellantis structure works - but if each dealership (its own entity/business) is buying the vehicles from Stellantis (huge loans), then they’re paying Stallantis interest for those loans. You can’t pay off your loans when the vehicles are sitting on the lots
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I managed a Dodge stroe years ago before opening my own dealerships the New car manufacturers give there dealers a "grace period" before interest starts and always give dealers incentives if certain makes or models are not selling. The car business has changed since the internet took over sales. New car dealers now make more money on used and service on the front end of the deals and usually not much on the actual sale of a new car but instead make a bonus at the end of the month from how many they sold that month from the manufacturers . That's the reason why you can find car's sitting on the lot's after there model year I'm in New car store 4 days a week buying trades for my dealerships and glad I'm no longer running a New car store. Most of these new car stores make 3 to 4 time's more money on a trade compared to selling new. Even at invoice the new car dealers are making money more then people think đŸ€”
 

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Yes..perhaps that is the laws now-a-days. But as a ‘consumer’ - I’d cover my ass and look into anything to justify that its’s new. Personally, I wouldn’t buy a vehicle that’s been sitting on the lot for a year.

And if someone does buy a vehicle that was on the lot for that long
.. the buyer should make sure (force) the dealership to give you the factory 3/36 warranty from the time you drive off the lot (and document mileage). Dealerships will try to wiggle their way out of coverage after only 2 years
.

Sorry
..I don’t trust anything these days. You’ve gotta CYA

Why? It's so cut and dried - you can tell easily on the paperwork - "application for title".
It's not all that uncommon for some vehicles to sit a year depending on where, the vehicle, and economic times.
There's no reason to "force" anything on the warranty. It's new, untitled, the warranty starts once that changes. I don't know how you'd "force" that anyway - it's a factory warranty, not a dealer warranty. The dealer doesn't "give" it, the factory does.
Mileage IS documented- all you have to do is read what you are signing before you sign it. Really pretty simple. I'm sure all states have laws stating that the mileage of a vehicle must be documented at the time of sale - used or NEW. You get - and SIGN - such documents.

Don't know where you are getting your thinking from - likely "the internet" - but it's so very easy to know without jumping through hoops.
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