Two JT Diesels (New) Still on the Lot

[Mr Miami]

Yes..perhaps that is the laws now-a-days. But as a ‘consumer’ - I’d cover my ass and look into anything to justify that its’s new. Personally, I wouldn’t buy a vehicle that’s been sitting on the lot for a year.

And if someone does buy a vehicle that was on the lot for that long….. the buyer should make sure (force) the dealership to give you the factory 3/36 warranty from the time you drive off the lot (and document mileage). Dealerships will try to wiggle their way out of coverage after only 2 years….

Sorry…..I don’t trust anything these days. You’ve gotta CYA…

The length of time a vehicle sits on the lot has nothing to do with the dealer involvement with the factory warranty. Vehicles have what is termed an "In Service Date" which reflects when the vehicle was first put into service or commonly when it was first sold. The warranty period begins on that date.

Remember, it is the vehicle that is under warranty, not the purchaser. Regardless of whether it is the original owner or it has been sold multiple times, it is the vehicle that carries the warranty.

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[Janster]

The length of time a vehicle sits on the lot has nothing to do with the dealer involvement with the factory warranty. Vehicles have what is termed an "In Service Date" which reflects when the vehicle was first put into service or commonly when it was first sold. The warranty period begins on that date.

Remember, it is the vehicle that is under warranty, not the purchaser. Regardless of whether it is the original owner or it has been sold multiple times, it is the vehicle that carries the warranty.

Oh , I understand the business standpoint of it.

As a consumer - I don’t care about how they see it. If I’m buying a NEW vehicle that’s been sitting on the lot for over a year, I’m still going to expect a 3/36 warranty from the time I drive off the lot. It’s not the consumers responsibility to take a hit on the Warranty - when the dealership sat on it for over a year.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

If I’m buying a NEW vehicle that’s been sitting on the lot for over a year, I’m still going to expect a 3/36 warranty from the time I drive off the lot. It’s not the consumers responsibility to take a hit on the Warranty - when the dealership sat on it for over a year.

That's literally how factory warranties work lol. They start on the purchase date.

 

[Janster]

Why? It's so cut and dried - you can tell easily on the paperwork - "application for title".
It's not all that uncommon for some vehicles to sit a year depending on where, the vehicle, and economic times.
There's no reason to "force" anything on the warranty. It's new, untitled, the warranty starts once that changes. I don't know how you'd "force" that anyway - it's a factory warranty, not a dealer warranty. The dealer doesn't "give" it, the factory does.
Mileage IS documented- all you have to do is read what you are signing before you sign it. Really pretty simple. I'm sure all states have laws stating that the mileage of a vehicle must be documented at the time of sale - used or NEW. You get - and SIGN - such documents.

Don't know where you are getting your thinking from - likely "the internet" - but it's so very easy to know without jumping through hoops.

It’s all part of negotiating…..…. Consumers can negotiate whatever they want - including the warranty period. Dealerships, can do whatever they want/need to make or break the sale. It’s a back-n-forth and nothing is off the table.

When I’m spending that much $$ on something, I will jump thru hoops to squeeze whatever I can from negotiations. And I’m never upset to walk….
There’s always another dealership willing to take those negotiations.

 

[Mr Miami]

It’s all part of negotiating…..…. Consumers can negotiate whatever they want - including the warranty period. Dealerships, can do whatever they want/need to make or break the sale. It’s a back-n-forth and nothing is off the table.

When I’m spending that much $$ on something, I will jump thru hoops to squeeze whatever I can from negotiations. And I’m never upset to walk….
There’s always another dealership willing to take those negotiations.

I don't think you understand. There is no negotiating on the standard factory warranty (3/36 bumper to bumper plus 5/60 powertrain for gas models). It is part of the vehicle. Think of it like the heater or windshield wipers. You don't negotiate those things with the dealer. The dealer is not going to benefit or "screw you" by taking those off the vehicle. Standard features and the warranty are selling points for the dealer. The dealer would not benefit by only saying the vehicle has a one year or two year warranty. That would be foolish. In fact, the dealer is more likely to generate dollars from you during the warranty period so reducing or in some way trying to hide the warranty may be detrimental to the dealer.

The only issue with warranties that affect the dealer directly are extended warranties. In that case, yes, the dealer wants to sell you additional years and/or miles of warranty for a price that includes profits for the dealer. Those must be read carefully and you must understand what you are buying and what is included.

But again, the dealer cannot change the standard factory warranty and "screw you" since the warranty is considered a part of the vehicle.

 

[Koolcarguy]

Why? It's so cut and dried - you can tell easily on the paperwork - "application for title".
It's not all that uncommon for some vehicles to sit a year depending on where, the vehicle, and economic times.
There's no reason to "force" anything on the warranty. It's new, untitled, the warranty starts once that changes. I don't know how you'd "force" that anyway - it's a factory warranty, not a dealer warranty. The dealer doesn't "give" it, the factory does.
Mileage IS documented- all you have to do is read what you are signing before you sign it. Really pretty simple. I'm sure all states have laws stating that the mileage of a vehicle must be documented at the time of sale - used or NEW. You get - and SIGN - such documents.

Don't know where you are getting your thinking from - likely "the internet" - but it's so very easy to know without jumping through hoops.

Well stated and FACTS!!!

 

[Stuntman Mike]

Maybe the time has not come yet to appreciate the best engine that Jeep ever put into their cars.

 

[WorldWideTigger]

In my experience with extended warranties (Chevy) at the time. The extended warranty starts the same day you sign the papers. In essence you have a double warranty for the first 3/36 or 5/60 warranty. The only reason I know this is because when I cancelled the extended warranty it was prorated from day one of signing the papers. I don't purchase the extended warranty anymore for that reason. Now if I buy something used and the warranty is almost up, that's a different story.

 

[Janster]

I don't think you understand. There is no negotiating on the standard factory warranty (3/36 bumper to bumper plus 5/60 powertrain for gas models). It is part of the vehicle. Think of it like the heater or windshield wipers. You don't negotiate those things with the dealer. The dealer is not going to benefit or "screw you" by taking those off the vehicle. Standard features and the warranty are selling points for the dealer. The dealer would not benefit by only saying the vehicle has a one year or two year warranty. That would be foolish. In fact, the dealer is more likely to generate dollars from you during the warranty period so reducing or in some way trying to hide the warranty may be detrimental to the dealer.

The only issue with warranties that affect the dealer directly are extended warranties. In that case, yes, the dealer wants to sell you additional years and/or miles of warranty for a price that includes profits for the dealer. Those must be read carefully and you must understand what you are buying and what is included.

But again, the dealer cannot change the standard factory warranty and "screw you" since the warranty is considered a part of the vehicle.

I never said the dealership could change the original factory warranty. The dealership has the ability add or adjust warranty coverage outside of the factory 3/36 (or whatever) to make a sale. That ‘added’ warranty falls on the responsibility of the dealership and nobody else.

I’ve done it……. My previously owned GMC Canyon had some paint flaws that were discovered upon pre-signing inspection & walk around. Instead of signing paperwork - we sat back down and were able to add 4 more years of paint warranty. If those flaws ever got worse (over those 7 years), the dealership would be responsible for getting those flaws fixed and painted.

 

[Hootbro]

I never said the dealership could change the original factory warranty. The dealership has the ability add or adjust warranty coverage outside of the factory 3/36 (or whatever) to make a sale. That ‘added’ warranty falls on the responsibility of the dealership and nobody else.

To be fair, you just said "warranty" and did not delineate between the factory and extended.

I have noticed in other threads and posts that your style of writing sometimes have people scratching their heads over similar things trying to connect what you meant vs. what you wrote and how it reads.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

To be fair, you just said "warranty" and did not delineate between the factory and extended.

I have noticed in other threads and posts that your style of writing sometimes have people scratching their heads over similar things trying to connect what you meant vs. what you wrote. and how it reads.

They also don't just throw in a warranty - they sell "warranty" packages, or "throw them in" (but SOMEONE pays).
Those are really service contracts backed by an insurer.
Only the original manufacturer of an item can warrant it, no one else.
Some will toss in an "extended warranty" (really service contract) that is supplied by either MOPAR or - a third party.
Because shops, although connected, tend to operate as their own entity under the sign, a sales guy can't just toss in service contract/warranty without something backing it - third party, MOPAR or as in around here, the company/corporation that owns the dealership. But it's not the "dealership" per se that covers it - it's an insurer. And there's a cost, and paperwork

 

[Janster]

To be fair, you just said "warranty" and did not delineate between the factory and extended.

I have noticed in other threads and posts that your style of writing sometimes have people scratching their heads over similar things trying to connect what you meant vs. what you wrote and how it reads.

Yea……I’d agree with that, although…I really don’t know why. That’s just how my ol’ noggin works. My husband and I will be talking about the same thing but we both have two totally different ways of explaining it. We both scratch our heads at each other.

It’s difficult for us to work on project together…. My brain immediately looks at Step #5 and I’ll coordinate (or organize) Steps #2 & #3 so that #4 & #5 are easier or quicker. “If you take part C off first, you can manipulate part A in such a way that you can pull part B back and install part D behind it“

 

[Mr Miami]

Well, local dealer (Miami Lakes CDJR) still had one of the 2023 diesels left (MSRP 55k selling for around 48k). Only thing is, it is black if you are into black Jeeps. These things are rare but still a few out there.

 

[TheSolarWizard]

I debated picking up one of the last few on the lot but I instead had a friend find me one with 17k that was hit super hard in the back and totalled. Motor trans and tcase all good. Its currently mothballed for whenever I run into problems in the future. Judging by the rate I drive this one it’s probably the last powertrain ill ever need. Excited for that idea.

may take on the project of EV swapping an LJ rock buggy in the future though.

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