The Overland is gone. Now what

[Sarge502]

My 2024 Sport S was heavily optioned, with most of the Overland perks. My leather seats even say “Overland”!

Good stuff as far as the packages for sure. But $58k geez. Thats what I'm saying about the margins being so high in between (and keep in mind, thats considering its still not even a Rubicon or Mojave). Could only imagine the margins there, just to have all the same stuff my Overland came with.

Although I purchased mine in early 21' and is a 2020 by year, but mine was listed at $52k but paid only $49k. That's my whole point in the Overland having been arguably the best trim for value right from the lot.

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[ChecksOut]

I see often what I call "low tier" Rubicons, and although Rubicons, don't have LEDS from the factory, no leather, plastic non-painted fenders etc, etc. In my opinion I'd rather have my Overland before a "low budget" Rubicon without half my creature comforts I use everyday.

But people often get so caught up in specifics and having to have a Rubicon or Mojave, yet they're rolling around with plastic fenders, dull headlights, cloth seats, small entertainment screens, etc. But hey they got that Rubicon/Mojave sticker on the side of the hood! lol. Unless you have the money to spend to get the higher tier Rubicon than in my opinion I'd take my Overland before it any day and is why I went with mine.

I'll add in my two cents for whatever they're worth.

I have one of what you refer to as a low tier Rubicon. Why did I get it? Because it's what I wanted and was looking for. I did not want painted fenders (mine already have scratches from off-road that would be more pronounced in colored fenders), upgraded stereo (looking at maybe upgrading but don't have a need for it), leather seats (live in the desert with a streak of 100+ days), LED package (intended to upgrade and had the front before the Jeep), and I especially was looking for no driving aid sensors. The bonus was that I was able to find all I wanted with a 6 speed trans. If I had special ordered I would not have gotten it any different and the only debate would have been what color to choose.

All that just to say, enjoy what you have and let others enjoy theirs. No need to worry about you should've gotten this or that. Hell, Wranglers and Gladiators are some of the best platforms to upgrade them as you want beyond factory options. I'm keeping my poor spec Gladiator as long as it's bones will let me.

 

[Bjeepz]

MOJAVE is the move, drive one and see what you think!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The Overland is really just a sport with leather seats, leather wrapped wheel and dash, upgraded screen, maybe some safety features, etc. It has the same suspension and drivetrain.

LOL - good one.
Sadly, someone who doesn't know any better will believe you!

I guess you've never owned one and done and mods with one (or two, like me)

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I have a lot of insight on this topic....


So I am a extremely huge fan of the Overland trim having one myself. Unlike a lot of people, I specifically wanted the Overland and did not feel like I settled for it. And in all honesty, I feel like it is one of the best and valuable trims for the Gladiator. And it's not a coincidence that in 2024, it was the only trim to be discontinued.

Reason being in my opinion, and I've said this before in numerous debates, the Overland was probably the best trim for the value for "most" people. There's not one feature or package My Overland doesn't have as far as creature comforts. This may be personal opinion, but I feel like it's true in a lot of cases that a lot of people buy Rubicons for the name. And for me I couldn't justify the extra 10-12k (at the time I purchased in early 21' anyway) to have a Rubicon or Mojave with all the features my Overland has. I see often what I call "low tier" Rubicons, and although Rubicons, don't have LEDS from the factory, no leather, plastic non-painted fenders etc, etc. In my opinion I'd rather have my Overland before a "low budget" Rubicon without half my creature comforts I use everyday. Especially considering my off-road habits are moderate to minimal. Don't get me wrong lockers and automatic disconnects are and would be great which the Overland lacks. And I do get my Overland off road a fair amount (my IG, and YouTube can back that up). But I'm also no rock crawler and I don't think a lot of people give credit on the capabilities that even A stock jeep has. Let alone building one to your own off road habits. Which is what I've done and still currently doing with my Overland and mine has performed flawless in moderate conditions. But I know my limits and am fine with it.

If the margin at least when I purchase initially and probably even now, wasn't so steep to have a rubicon with all the packages and features my Overland has, than of course I would have got a Rubicon. But I couldn't justify that amount. If you've got it like that, than ok. But I don't. I've been very content with mine and have built to my liking. So the Overland is a gem and I feel that Jeep knew after the fact that it was the best Jeep right out the gates for so many people to have the best of both worlds without breaking the bank(and not that the overland is a cheap trim by any means) But it's not a coincidence it's the only trim to get discontinued. Jeep knew that value after the fact. Which I understand from a business standpoint, but it in turn has forced a lot of people moving forward to purchase Rubicon's and Rubicon X and getting and paying extra for features they most likely won't use or don't care about (particularly lockers and discos). When in all reality even for avid off-roaders, we jeepers are on road 80% of the time, most of us. And if you're not than, you wouldn't be interested in an Overland anyway.

But I've had this debate before and even spoke about it in one of my YouTube videos about how the Overland is arguably one of the best trims for the value and not even from a cheap standpoint considering it was based as a mid to high trim. But people often get so caught up in specifics and having to have a Rubicon or Mojave, yet they're rolling around with plastic fenders, dull headlights, cloth seats, small entertainment screens, etc. But hey they got that Rubicon/Mojave sticker on the side of the hood! lol. Unless you have the money to spend to get the higher tier Rubicon than in my opinion I'd take my Overland before it any day and is why I went with mine.

Keep your Overland if you can. Just my opinion. Since Jeep butchered it, unless you can afford a Rubicon X or Mojave without getting raped for all the features, I'd keep it.

Yup - I've had two Overland and would likely have another IF I could have gotten one, with power seats.
Great MPG, great comfort, a nice vehicle for traveling across the country. We did a lot of long driving in mine.
Value is one reason - it had everything I wanted - only having to actually add 1 or 2 other things. It was otherwise pretty much what I wanted.

I know a few of the hard core "anyone who doesn't off-road a Jeep is a poser and doesn't deserve one" types here, the painted bumper wasn't a bad thing at all. It was the sort you could take your parents or family out to dinner in, and next weekend, take it on trails. It was that nice in-between option. Face it, most Jeep owners hardly ever leave the road - many never do. It's a Jeep for other reasons - bad weather, winters, capability, open-air feeling in Florida and so on.

I didn't give a rip about sway bar disconnects or front locker. What use are they to 2/3 of all Rubicon owners?
I did want a decent ride - so I ended up going Mojave. I couldn't get the Overland-type stuff in most of the other levels, and power seats were a must this time around - we're getting older and with my wife's handicaps, the standard Jeep seats suck. They make is horrible to adjust the seats - I don't understand the fact you have to lean almost to the floor, pull up and hold a bar with a terribly strong spring AND move the seat forward of backward at the same time. Many people end up standing outside the thing to adjust the seat - including US.

 

[Gladiatorguy]

I had a Sport S. I wanted to replace it with an Overland, as it was best deal for the money. 18” wheels vs 17” on sport, plus all the other items mentioned. Can’t get nav on a Nighthawk and some other options. I opted for a Willys. Very well equipped for the money. The only issue, if it concerns you, is the noisy MT tires. Those could probably be sold and quieter tires installed (but the MTs look cool).

 

[NortonJTSS]

LOL - good one.
Sadly, someone who doesn't know any better will believe you!

I guess you've never owned one and done and mods with one (or two, like me)

Okay, well what about that statement wasn't true? You think the overland has its own custom suspension? You think it has a special overland motor in it? It's a Sport S with some creature comforts... That's it. Same V6 and transmission, same axles, same 3.73 gearing. Oh 18 inch wheels, side steps, and some silver accents? That's neat. But please, tell us why it's so different.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Okay, well what about that statement wasn't true? You think the overland has its own custom suspension? You think it has a special overland motor in it? It's a Sport S with some creature comforts... That's it. Same V6 and transmission, same axles, same 3.73 gearing. Oh 18 inch wheels, side steps, and some silver accents? That's neat. But please, tell us why it's so different.

Yes, different springs, tires, they rode very differently. Springs and shocks are a huge part of suspension. And in the first years, the sport did not get LSD.
It sat differently on different springs. Go look up snow plows. The overland was listed for plows. I've driven them all. The Overland ride was by far better. I've owned and modified two.
I also know suspensions are "tuned". They don't just toss springs at them.
Why your hate for them? Wow.

 

[NortonJTSS]

Yes, different springs, tires, they rode very differently. Springs and shocks are a huge part of suspension. And in the first years, the sport did not get LSD.
It sat differently on different springs. Go look up snow plows. The overland was listed for plows. I've driven them all. The Overland ride was by far better. I've owned and modified two.
I also know suspensions are "tuned". They don't just toss springs at them.
Why your hate for them? Wow.

I don't hate it, but was just saying the lower trim levels aren't as different as people make them out to be. I was also saying to the OP that the newer sports come standard with more equipment now that would've been add-ons to match the overland a couple years ago... Such as the larger touchscreen.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I don't hate it, but was just saying the lower trim levels aren't as different as people make them out to be. I was also saying to the OP that the newer sports come standard with more equipment now that would've been add-ons to match the overland a couple years ago... Such as the larger touchscreen.

And yet in the dozen or so page order guide, the Overland was its own model - unrelated to anything else, while others today are a package on top of Sport.
Again, having worked on multiple - driven all levels, (Sport, Overland, Rubicon, Mojave) there are big differences in handling and ride/comfort. Overland seats were better - almost forgot that bit. Better bolsters - more of a cradling feel.
(HVAC operation used to be another difference - maybe they've moved those features to the Sport now since they killed the Overland.
Overland had the 2 zone HVAC with automatic mode - Sport did not. Has that changed?
Overland came with passive entry - I'd have to look at the order guide to see what Sport comes with these days that might match what Overland used to have.
The cluster display - I couldn't stand the Sport levels - ugh. I wanted the larger color display and better gauge displays and the off road pages to see all gauges if I wanted. I could have never put up with the basic Sport level cluster when I ordered my 2022 Overland.

The larger screen isn't universal in what it includes - you can get NAV and non-NAV versions. Yes, you get the physical size, but the features will differ.
Check out the order guides that dealers get.

What Jeep seems to have done is take out a choice - removed the Overland, and trimmed it down from 4 to 3 models. They've standardized on some of the best-selling features or equipment. Makes sense - they did that years ago with Grand Cherokee. You ordered a WK2 with the options you wanted by ordering a specific level of the WK2. No need to say "I want to add this, this and this". Choose the correct level and it came with that stuff.

Now several packages are based on the Sport. Willys, and others, are built on the Sport model. It seems they are moving to a practice similar to what they did with the other lines years ago.

So they planned the removal of Overland by moving several of the options to the Sport level. However, some of the options you still can't get with the Sport unless you go one of these "special editions".. If you want body color roof and fender flares - that was a thing for Overland - couldn't get it with Sport. Today it seems you need to go to one of these special editions or an X package to get that.
(you'd be amazed at the number of people who actually WANT the matching body color bits - according to our dealer and to observations as to what's on the road)

As for ride, handling - I went with Overland two times because nothing else matched it (Mojave was close, but a crazy amount of $$ more and with stuff I didn't give a rip about). Sport wasn't even close to the ride, Rubicon was too - well, made for the rocks and ravines (and much more money back then). The Rubicon ride was definitely harsher, no comparison.
The Overland could get me well into the 20s mpg, sat at the right height, and was listed in Western Plow site as being snow plow capable. and rode like a dream in cross-country trips.
I test drove several others, kept going back - until I couldn't.
HVAC features, seats, radio, cluster display was far better than Sport had at that time.

 

[Bama_Swampfox]

Thanks to everyone that responded to my post - I learned a lot reading all these posts. Most important: I learned that I'm keeping my Overland until the wheels fall off! Or until Jeep comes up with a model with similar value/options. Have a great Memorial Day and thank you to all our Veterans, past and present!

 

[OldButStillJeeping]

Unless you like to have a new ride every few years, just keep your Overland since it sounds perfect for you.
Folks buy these Jeep trucks for so many different reasons.

As for me, there are only 2 models that interest me: The Rubi and the Mo. My primary reason for a JT is offroad capability and strength. Not being too particular about the rest of the options, I could care less about a painted top or fenders. Even tho my Mo has both. It might look better, IDK, but I'd rather have the few grand I paid for those painted parts - still in my pocket.
For others, they want luxury. And I get it, totally. Go for it.

Even after these JT's have been on the road since 2020, I still get comments on occasion. The last one was from an elderly woman in a parking lot. She said: "Those little Jeep trucks are SO Cute"! I did my simple nod and said thank you. I wasn't offended.

People can see the same thing but interpret it very differently.

She would probably buy a Overland or High Altitude or whatever luxury packages are available. And she'd probably be a happy camper. And I would be happy for her.

Be well. Jeep on.

Eric

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Even after these JT's have been on the road since 2020, I still get comments on occasion.

That's not slowed down much in our area. Over 5 years and people still commented, even on a 2022 Overland in blue.

One guy and his wife, older farmers, asked about mine a couple of years back - actually considering one as it's a truck, and they have some rough pasture areas to deal with. Pretty decent truck for their use. They had their antique Dodge truck for the heavy hauling. (antique - probably a 1990-something - rusty but reliable)

 

[Stan H]

Yup - I've had two Overland and would likely have another IF I could have gotten one, with power seats.
Great MPG, great comfort, a nice vehicle for traveling across the country. We did a lot of long driving in mine.
Value is one reason - it had everything I wanted - only having to actually add 1 or 2 other things. It was otherwise pretty much what I wanted.

I know a few of the hard core "anyone who doesn't off-road a Jeep is a poser and doesn't deserve one" types here, the painted bumper wasn't a bad thing at all. It was the sort you could take your parents or family out to dinner in, and next weekend, take it on trails. It was that nice in-between option. Face it, most Jeep owners hardly ever leave the road - many never do. It's a Jeep for other reasons - bad weather, winters, capability, open-air feeling in Florida and so on.

I didn't give a rip about sway bar disconnects or front locker. What use are they to 2/3 of all Rubicon owners?
I did want a decent ride - so I ended up going Mojave. I couldn't get the Overland-type stuff in most of the other levels, and power seats were a must this time around - we're getting older and with my wife's handicaps, the standard Jeep seats suck. They make is horrible to adjust the seats - I don't understand the fact you have to lean almost to the floor, pull up and hold a bar with a terribly strong spring AND move the seat forward of backward at the same time. Many people end up standing outside the thing to adjust the seat - including US.

Yeah , I know a guy who is big into off road trails. He loves using the term poser. Thing is I use my Rubicin 6 days a week in dirt and mud and rocks. I have mine in 4wheel drive every single day . Every day !! My transfer case goes in and out of 4low so easy it would blow your mind yet because He does Badge of honor trails 4 or 5 times a year He calls me a poser. I don't think He has any clue how much wheeling I actually do. From the start of my site this year I went from a foot & a half of snow to mud for 4 solid months ,all steep, all rocks bull dozed single pathway access. Which meant climbing off the side of it many many times. Yeah ,I just let him go on with his talk. I dare say over the last 4 yrs with mine there isn't a Jeep Badge of honor trail that I haven't equaled in difficulty.
As to those that never go off road ever. I do say if snow is all it was bought for then they paid a premium to drive in the snow. Oh well, to each their own.
@ShadowsPapa ,I agree the seats are not plush enough. I generally have a air cushion sitting on mine. I aint got much meat on my bones at 6'5" & 200#'s
Went to the doctor told him my seat was hurting my hip bones and gave me a prescription for a new medicine.
Noassatall ain't helped a whole bunch. Okay seriously though
Habe been considering upgrading my seats or having them reupholstered to make them more plush . Alot of motorcycle owners do this. That's where I got the air cushion idea from.

 

[OldButStillJeeping]

Yeah , I know a guy who is big into off road trails. He loves using the term poser. Thing is I use my Rubicin 6 days a week in dirt and mud and rocks. I have mine in 4wheel drive every single day . Every day !! My transfer case goes in and out of 4low so easy it would blow your mind yet because He does Badge of honor trails 4 or 5 times a year He calls me a poser. I don't think He has any clue how much wheeling I actually do. From the start of my site this year I went from a foot & a half of snow to mud for 4 solid months ,all steep, all rocks bull dozed single pathway access. Which meant climbing off the side of it many many times. Yeah ,I just let him go on with his talk. I dare say over the last 4 yrs with mine there isn't a Jeep Badge of honor trail that I haven't equaled in difficulty.
As to those that never go off road ever. I do say if snow is all it was bought for then they paid a premium to drive in the snow. Oh well, to each their own.
@ShadowsPapa ,I agree the seats are not plush enough. I generally have a air cushion sitting on mine. I aint got much meat on my bones at 6'5" & 200#'s
Went to the doctor told him my seat was hurting my hip bones and gave me a prescription for a new medicine.
Noassatall ain't helped a whole bunch. Okay seriously though
Habe been considering upgrading my seats or having them reupholstered to make them more plush . Alot of motorcycle owners do this. That's where I got the air cushion idea from.

I don't like to label people before I know them, so a Poser to me is the guy with 38's or 40's on his JT and it never sees the dirt. But real or not, I don't much care. Do what ya want. It's your money.

I talked with a guy with a well built JT at the JDR dealer last year. 38's, King shocks, full panel type skid plates, heavy steel bumpers and a winch. It looked awesome, nothing overboard like 5 light bars and an angry grill. It was very well-done IMO. As a long time Jeeper, I approached and talked with the owner as he sat driver's seat in the service drive waiting for a service writer. I said something like: "Nice clean Jeep, nice build"! He said something like, "Oh, it's my wife's Jeep. It is so clean because we don't go off-road. She just likes the look". The dude actually said that.

And so, the conversation ended.

Be well. Jeep on.

Eric

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