4xe Gladiator Dead according to sources

[mrsooner]

Sources at TFL Truck...

This is disappointing.

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[Deleted member 57233]

Are these the same "sources" that are guaranteeing a V8?

 

[Rahkmalla]

CAFE is gone. That 4xe really only exists to satisfy CAFE. Rumors are rumors, but this one is at least based on some rationale.

Are these the same "sources" that are guaranteeing a V8?

V8s only died because of CAFE. really wouldn't surprise me if 4xes die the same time V8s come back.

 

[Sweetums]

CAFE is gone. That 4xe really only exists to satisfy CAFE. Rumors are rumors, but this one is at least based on some rationale.

V8s only died because of CAFE. really wouldn't surprise me if 4xes die the same time V8s come back.

How to do figure CAFE is "gone"? This administration is choosing not to enforce the law and reduced the penalties to $0, but it's still the law as far as I know. An amendment tacked onto a "must pass" spending bill in the future will easily reinstate those penalties and it would be much easier to pass than a full bill - all the standards are still there.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

CAFE is gone. That 4xe really only exists to satisfy CAFE. Rumors are rumors, but this one is at least based on some rationale.

V8s only died because of CAFE. really wouldn't surprise me if 4xes die the same time V8s come back.

CAFE isn't gone lol.

You must be one of these "sources"

 

[Cansberry]

Well. Guess I won't be getting back in a Gladiator. Love my Wrangler 4xe but was looking forward to a JT one. V8 is a big pass for me. Overpriced and thirsty. Torque not as down low

 

[AmosMoses]

If theres enough demand, maybe AMW or similar company will put together a hybrid swap like they do for V8's, that way you guys can get better fuel economy like you would in a suburu or something.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

CAFE isn't gone lol.

You must be one of these "sources"

Correct. Only the fines have been reduced to $0.
The law is still in place. It can very easily jump back into normal fines in a couple of years. And since the last change was made retroactive - who says the next change won't be made retroactive?

Not sure TFL is a great resource. Not that they are wrong, but I had a hell of a laugh when he was struggling like crazy to even explain how the 4xe worked a few years ago. It was more comedy than learning.

 

[Deleted member 57233]

If theres enough demand, maybe AMW or similar company will put together a hybrid swap like they do for V8's, that way you guys can get better fuel economy like you would in a suburu or something.

Nah, they just won't buy Jeeps. Good thing all 12 of you that will actually buy a V8 gladiator will be enough to keep it in production.

 

[Sweetums]

Correct. Only the fines have been reduced to $0.
The law is still in place. It can very easily jump back into normal fines in a couple of years. And since the last change was made retroactive - who says the next change won't be made retroactive?

Not sure TFL is a great resource. Not that they are wrong, but I had a hell of a laugh when he was struggling like crazy to even explain how the 4xe worked a few years ago. It was more comedy than learning.

This. The amount of crap info from those guys is honestly kind of impressive. They are a very "seat of the pants" operation that accidentally became a business.

 

[Rahkmalla]

Correct. Only the fines have been reduced to $0.

There's an old saying that goes: If the penalty is a fine, that just means it's legal for rich people.

Well... in this case the penalty is nothing.

Keeping the law while eliminating the penalty is clearly in "tits on a bull" territory.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

There's an old saying that goes: If the penalty is a fine, that just means it's legal for rich people.

Well... in this case the penalty is nothing.

Keeping the law while eliminating the penalty is clearly in "tits on a bull" territory.

The law stayed because of how - the process - that was used.
And it means that the fines can come back in a heartbeat if the makeup of government changes in certain ways.
Auto makers have to know that things can change. Their legal eagles have to have dug pretty deeply into this and understand - they have a reprieve that may disappear in the near future (or may not - we don't know, can't predict, but it is very possible)
The pendulum keeps swinging. It will slow, then change direction again.

 

[Sweetums]

Exactly. Building a business on suspended enforcement is just making a massive problem for yourself in a few years.

 

[RubiNewbCB]

This will kill CAFE, when it's passed with the Budget, not with the C.R. but the actual budget.

Text - H.R.4117 - 119th Congress (2025-2026): Fuel Emissions Freedom Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress https://share.google/sWppP9zDeKYAAyNLG

 

[JmattNYC]

I was never going to buy a 4XE but i did want the Gladiator offer it as another option for people that could help with sales. Anyway RIP JT 4XE we hardly ever knew you.

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