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I have a Tesla so I actually do like EV’s…. In there place. However, promoting an EV as an offroad vehicle is ridiculous, I mean who would take it anywhere other than 50 miles from a charger with that measly range. Real world would probably be closer to 150 mile range when you factor in the 80/20 rule.

Jeep is about 3 years too late to this party. The only people I see buying these are soccer mom’s taking their kids around town, which is actually where most people rack up their mileage but you don’t need removable doors etc. to do that. In that regard I guess its the same thing as soccer moms driving G Wagons…
The recon isn't built properly for real wheeling, but I don't get the range anxiety. The Rubicon trail is all of 18 miles. Give me an EV wrangler with the same specs as the recon as far as horsepower, torque, and range but with solid axles and real articulation and I will wheel the thing all over just like we do with our ICE JLUR that only has a 240 mile range on a good day thanks to the 39s. I've yet to find the trail where I needed extra fuel. The 80/20 "rule" is advisable for the everyday use but you absolutely can charge to 100% and run it all the way down if needed occasionally with no harm to the batteries. Doing that daily is harmful which is where the 80/20 comes into play. There isn't a trail I've ever run that would even be a concern. Every trail in moab is close enough to town and short enough you could even follow the 80/20 rule. The mojave road is one of the longest trails I've ever run and it's only 100 miles. There are plenty of chargers at both ends. For a trail that long I'd likely charge to 100% just to be sure it wasn't an issue but I'd bet you got off the trail and to a charger with 50% remaining. I'd like to see more like a 350-400 mile range in an EV wrangler for roadtrips and whatnot, but for the vast majority of trails 250 is more than enough.
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Oooph. Too much money for the range. Given the range it should be priced high 40's. Subaru Trail seeker will kill this I suspect.

One thing, isn't this platform supposed to be coming with an ICE engine too?
 

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Oooph. Too much money for the range. Given the range it should be priced high 40's. Subaru Trail seeker will kill this I suspect.

One thing, isn't this platform supposed to be coming with an ICE engine too?
It's STLA Large, so it can do all the engines the Wagoneer, Charger, Grand can do.
 

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It's STLA Large, so it can do all the engines the Wagoneer, Charger, Grand can do.
Thanks , that's what I thought. So they're following the Charger launch method rolling out the EV version first and then the ICE.
 

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Thanks , that's what I thought. So they're following the Charger launch method rolling out the EV version first and then the ICE.
Not their stated intention.

If they decided they wanted to save it they could plug in ICE engines, but idk what the point of that would be, it would still be 60k for a crappy Wrangler, or crappy Wagoneer, depending on your view.
 

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Ugh. 250 miles of range? Is there a spot for an on-board generator? Ugh.
 

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Thing is, no jeep guy is asking for this. But it will sell, Mustang Mach-e is selling 2-1 to ICE mustangs. But, no mustang guy wants them. LOL

They are for those people who like the brand, but never really get into a actual thing. Like you almost never see a Mach-E at the drag strip. You'll most never see one of these with the doors off and off-road. But soccer moms will buy them up.
 

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Thing is, no jeep guy is asking for this. But it will sell, Mustang Mach-e is selling 2-1 to ICE mustangs. But, no mustang guy wants them. LOL

They are for those people who like the brand, but never really get into a actual thing. Like you almost never see a Mach-E at the drag strip. You'll most never see one of these with the doors off and off-road. But soccer moms will buy them up.
I like EVs just fine, own one, have owned two others, have no bias against them.

This is too expensive for the market. And Stellantis knows it now, they just have sunk costs
 

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The 250 mile range is, IMO, a non-starter for off-roading in anything other than rural areas close to towns or cities. Thinking the 80/20 rule, you're really at 200 miles roundtrip max on the highway. Then start on some trails and find that some are blocked or impassible and then re-routing through unexpected areas and terrain.

Who wants to keep looking at the charging level and playing "what if" scenarios in your mind if you begin running low. The overall concept may be good and where things are headed in the future but I think something with a range closer to 400 miles is a must when you factor in all the possibilities. As a mall crawler it may be fine but not for any real level of off-roading.
 
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The 250 mile range is, IMO, a non-starter for off-roading in anything other than rural areas close to towns or cities. Thinking the 80/20 rule, you're really at 200 miles roundtrip max on the highway. Then start on some trails and find that some are blocked or impassible and then re-routing through unexpected areas and terrain.

Who wants to keep looking at the charging level and playing "what if" scenarios in your mind if you begin running low. The overall concept may be good and where things are headed in the future but I think something with a range closer to 400 miles is a must when you factor in all the possibilities. As a mall crawler it may be fine but not for any real level of off-roading.
Our jlur and jt only have 240 miles of range thanks to the lift and massive tires. I've never come close to needing to add fuel anywhere. Show me the trail where it's an issue. Tahoe is within 5 miles of 1 trailhead for the rubicon and placerville is maybe 20 miles from the other. Both cities have chargers. The trail is only 18 miles. You could run the trail from placerville both directions and make it back with 100 miles of range.
 

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Absolutely to that extent, and worse. Look those rare earth mines in China up.

If you actually cared about lithium mining conditions, you would toss out all your rechargeable devices instead of virtue signaling about it.
Not necessarily replying to you, specifically, but jumping into this general discussion...

It's my understanding that the lithium is the best part of the concoction that makes up Li-ion batteries. My understanding is the cobalt that goes into them is where the abhorrent mining conditions exist. Unfortunately cobalt seems to be a critical component of Li-ion batteries ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_nickel_manganese_cobalt_oxides ) and with ramped up demand comes more cobalt mining, often women and children at gunpoint( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_industry_of_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo ). The small amount needed for phones and laptops was nothing compared to what is needed for EVs and solar/wind grid storage.

Fortunately, new battery technologies are being developed that move away from the present, cobalt reliant one. These include lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_iron_phosphate_battery ) and sodium ion (Na-ion - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-ion_battery ).

Even better may be shifting efforts back to generation, from storage, and reinvigorate fuel cell research and development. Imagine being able to plug your house into your car instead of the other way around. This vision was starting to come into focus in the first 8 years of this century, with GM and Opel working to develop at least one fuel cell based vehicle( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_HydroGen4 ). Federal funding for fuel cell development was promptly cut in 2009 in favor of the current wind and solar that we're saddled with. At least that's the way I heard it.
 

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Thing is, no jeep guy is asking for this. But it will sell, Mustang Mach-e is selling 2-1 to ICE mustangs. But, no mustang guy wants them. LOL

They are for those people who like the brand, but never really get into a actual thing. Like you almost never see a Mach-E at the drag strip. You'll most never see one of these with the doors off and off-road. But soccer moms will buy them up.
My wife's best friend drives a Mach-E. It adds a 30 minute trip to Buc-ee's from Nashville to Atlanta to charge, and other than that it's great for around town. I went and looked at one after my wife couldn't quit talking about how much she likes it. I missed out on a $300/mo lease with nothing down- and that was because they were just out of stock of them.


When I got to the dealership the sales guy looked at me and said "if you look at this thing like a Mustang, you'll hate it. If you look at it as a poorly named electric crossover, you'll love it". I thought that was pretty telling.
 

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Very few people will buy this thing for $65,000. I suspect that we will see a ton of these on Leasehackr a year after they hit dealerships for $300-$400/mo.
 

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It looks like a Ford 😱:ontheloo:
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