Why do you like or dislike Auto start stop (ESS)?

[Mr._Bill]

Again, respectfully, where is your source for your claim that Jeep has no choice in this? I am genuinely interested in learning here.

It's in the EPA regulations. Automakers are forced to maintain a specific MPG average, which goes higher on a regular basis, for all the vehicles they produce. The California requirements (CARB) are stricter than the EPA requirements. Putting ESS on vehicles is just one of the methods used by FCA to raise the MPG average. To appease the customer, they provide a button to turn it off. To appease the government, it turns on every time the vehicle is started. If a method was provided for the customer to keep it off, they wouldn't get the MPG reduction credit it provides.

I understand your frustration at having this forced upon you. Anger at FCA and the Engineers is misplaced. It should be directed at the government agencies who think we should have clean air to breathe.

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[rafaelsmith]

I really would like to see the in depth studies and research that proves ESS actually saves any meaningful amount of gas over the long haul and that it does not cause extra wear and tear on the vehicle. I think its just one of those things that the Gov can use to make hippies smile and feel good about themselves....when in the end it actually provides no meaningful help to the "cause".

I had a rental that had ESS.....was out of town for work....my very short drive from hotel to work would be about 4-5 times where the ESS would stop/start. That just does not sound like a good thing.

 

[AggieJeep]

It's in the EPA regulations. Automakers are forced to maintain a specific MPG average, which goes higher on a regular basis, for all the vehicles they produce. The California requirements (CARB) are stricter than the EPA requirements. Putting ESS on vehicles is just one of the methods used by FCA to raise the MPG average. To appease the customer, they provide a button to turn it off. To appease the government, it turns on every time the vehicle is started. If a method was provided for the customer to keep it off, they wouldn't get the MPG reduction credit it provides.

I understand your frustration at having this forced upon you. Anger at FCA and the Engineers is misplaced. It should be directed at the government agencies who think we should have clean air to breathe.

Again, respectfully, where is it mandated that FCA/Jeep has no choice regarding the default vs. remembered setting? I think we all understand the government entities driving these kinds of actions. I’m not an FCA hater, just trying to find the facts.

Like @rafaelsmith noted above, real stats would be interesting to see.

 

[Pion]

Again, respectfully, where is it mandated that FCA/Jeep has no choice regarding the default vs. remembered setting? I think we all understand the government entities driving these kinds of actions. I’m not an FCA hater, just trying to find the facts.

Like @rafaelsmith noted above, real stats would be interesting to see.

Automakers get incentives to do it this way from the Environmental Protection Agency. If the vehicle’s stop/start system is nonlatching and automatically turns on whenever you start the car, the EPA’s fuel-economy test results will be calculated only when the system is engaged. But if a vehicle’s stop/start system can be permanently turned off, then the vehicle’s fuel economy is tested both when stop/start is active and when it’s off. The EPA then averages the two tests for a resulting fuel-economy rating found on the car’s window sticker—which is certain to be lower.
Source: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...-to-deactivate-stopstart-systems-temporarily/

 

[vegasdavetv]

mines been off since day 2 of ownership, end of may. I did a youtube video on it to, very simple 30 second job. you know jeep made it so simple to be removed, yet they still meet epa crap

 

[Mr._Bill]

Automakers get incentives to do it this way from the Environmental Protection Agency. If the vehicle’s stop/start system is nonlatching and automatically turns on whenever you start the car, the EPA’s fuel-economy test results will be calculated only when the system is engaged. But if a vehicle’s stop/start system can be permanently turned off, then the vehicle’s fuel economy is tested both when stop/start is active and when it’s off. The EPA then averages the two tests for a resulting fuel-economy rating found on the car’s window sticker—which is certain to be lower.
Source: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...-to-deactivate-stopstart-systems-temporarily/

Thanks for adding the explanation. This EPA nonsense is why Nissan removed the 80% charge option from the Leaf, even though the battery lasts longer with it enabled. I got lucky and bought a 2013 model that still had the 80% charge option. Nissan replaced the main battery under warranty in October 2017, which greatly extended the life of the car.

 

[ArmorAPLarry]

Here is an option we offer, the Smart StopStart, that will remember the setting when you turned the vehicle off and will go back to that setting automatically.

 

[Jellygladiator]

I have auto stop-start in my Audi. I always turn it off and unfortunately there is no way to disable it permanently.

The biggest reason I don’t like it is SAFETY. Even though the engine restarts when you lift your foot off the brake there is a noticeable very brief moment of hesitation. That moment could be the amount of time you need to move out of the way and/or gun it to avoid or lessen the severity of an accident.

Yn everyone’s got it then we all are delayed

 

[Jellygladiator]

I’m a millennial and I’m not worried. The way the past generations jacked up our planet and our economy, it’s not like my generation can do worse.

Awe would you like a participation Ribbon for your post

 

[Jellygladiator]

Update:
ESS module installed and successful. Took like 5 minutes to put in, very easy. No more pushing the “A” button. It remembers from your last drive as described.

You can still turn it on from the button if you want to do so, but I never will. I’ll update again if I have any problems in the future.

Damn now there a light on all the time, where’s the thread on disabling it ??

 

[Jellygladiator]

I may have missed it but has anyone thought about how much stress all of the stopping and starting puts on the starter? It seems that the savings on fuel will be eaten up by the cost of a new starter.

That’s the whole economic development argument some are talking about, when the parts from this gas and planet saving tech has to offer, China or Mexico can fire up Their factories and build more parts thus making up for the pollution we saved the planet from from this whole ESS.
I’d like it much better if it was called Automatic Stop Start !!

 

[rvillano8188]

Awe would you like a participation Ribbon for your post

No, I'll settle for the trillions in debt my generation will have to pay off because of the irresponsible spending of your generation.

and by the way, if the Millennial's are getting participation trophys, what generation is the one giving them out? Stop blaming us for the way the world is. It's prior generations that ruined it, we just have to live with your mistakes.

 

[Jellygladiator]

No, I'll settle for the trillions in debt my generation will have to pay off because of the irresponsible spending of your generation.

and by the way, if the Millennial's are getting participation trophys, what generation is the one giving them out? Stop blaming us for the way the world is. It's prior generations that ruined it, we just have to live with your mistakes.

I’d say study your history truly and get back to me.
Participation ribbons where started by a socialist, hows all that working out for Eastern Europe and Russia
More than anything stop crying over Hillary not being elected it’s over, maybe someone needs a ESS button for their life kinda makes since while everyone else is out working just sit down make demands and shut off

 

[Jellygladiator]

I don't understand it either. You hit the start button, move your finger a couple inches over, and push the ESS off button. After thirty days it's a habit, and soon you do it without thinking about it. At least we have a easy way to disable it.

Wonder why they didn’t just make it so you turn it on vs off

 

[rvillano8188]

I’d say study your history truly and get back to me.
Participation ribbons where started by a socialist, hows all that working out for Eastern Europe and Russia
More than anything stop crying over Hillary not being elected it’s over, maybe someone needs a ESS button for their life kinda makes since while everyone else is out working just sit down make demands and shut off

I’d say study your history truly and get back to me.
Participation ribbons where started by a socialist, hows all that working out for Eastern Europe and Russia
More than anything stop crying over Hillary not being elected it’s over, maybe someone needs a ESS button for their life kinda makes since while everyone else is out working just sit down make demands and shut off

Maybe someone needs spell check and some punctuation.

I easily put in 50-55 hours a week at a minimum so no one is sitting around. Go enjoy your truck and cut out the political posts, they aren't welcome on this forum.

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