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I just had a conversation about this with a group of people a few days ago, with many different cars. Everyone said the same thing; every car we know of will keep going if it's running and you remove the fob. For me, that's what should happen. I use that capability regularly. I suppose they could lock the "park" position when the key is out if the vehicle is already in park, just for a little theft prevention. But I don't really care at all.
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I just had a conversation about this with a group of people a few days ago, with many different cars. Everyone said the same thing; every car we know of will keep going if it's running and you remove the fob. For me, that's what should happen. I use that capability regularly. I suppose they could lock the "park" position when the key is out if the vehicle is already in park, just for a little theft prevention. But I don't really care at all.
That would likely be a good solution thinking about it. If its started but still in park and the key fob is removed then perhaps would signal something in the truck that it will not move out of the Park Position.
 

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That would likely be a good solution thinking about it. If its started but still in park and the key fob is removed then perhaps would signal something in the truck that it will not move out of the Park Position.
There really is no good solution. This creates the potential for a hazardous situation. What if the vehicle is started and the person walks away with the FOB, and then some emergency requires the vehicle to be moved?
 

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What if the vehicle isn't started and the person walks away with the FOB, and then some emergency requires the vehicle to be moved?
 

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What if the vehicle isn't started and the person walks away with the FOB, and then some emergency requires the vehicle to be moved?
That's outside the scope of the current discussion, but usually involves a Tow Truck and/or serious damage to the vehicle.
 

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So no difference, and no problem. No reason not to lock it in park.
 

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So no difference, and no problem. No reason not to lock it in park.
There is a difference. You're comparing a purposely stopped and parked vehicle to one that is locked into park while running because the FOB is removed from the cab.

The point is that any action beyond the warning on the screen, to try and prevent driving off without the FOB, will be met with objections by some group regarding safety and/or liability concerns.
 

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Quit stopping on train tracks!

I would imagine if you place the vehicle in park, you intended to leave it there more than momentarily and would consider the risks of choosing that exact spot to place the vehicle into park.

I do not think they are suggesting that the vehicle place itself in park, a la the system that stops the vehicle from moving with the doors open / nobody in the seat. Just keep it from moving out of park unless the fob is present. Or perhaps just prevent it from moving into gear, so that it could be placed into neutral in the event of an emergency.

Even just a louder initial chime to alert people would be nice. Personally I would see the dash alert just fine but I could imagine others missing it.

I just think it's got room for improvement. Most things do.
 

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Hope this is a good place/time to ask this question. I have a recently purchased motorcycle, Indian Roadmaster, that has this FOB setup but it has a way of entering a code, turnsignal lever, which allowes you to start the vehicle if your FOB lost or broken. Is there any other way to start a Gladiator without the FOB ?
 

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Hope this is a good place/time to ask this question. I have a recently purchased motorcycle, Indian Roadmaster, that has this FOB setup but it has a way of entering a code, turnsignal lever, which allowes you to start the vehicle if your FOB lost or broken. Is there any other way to start a Gladiator without the FOB ?
No. The FOB has to be in the cab to get the vehicle into a state that allows it to be driven. It can be remote started with the app, if equipped and capable, but the FOB has to present to put it in Run Mode so it can be driven.
 

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There is a difference. You're comparing a purposely stopped and parked vehicle to one that is locked into park while running because the FOB is removed from the cab.
No, I'm comparing a purposely stopped and parked vehicle with a purposely stopped and parked vehicle that is also running. I specifically said that it would make sense to KEEP it in park, I did not say PUT it in park. So you stop, key gets out, and you keep driving. Versus stop, put it in park, key gets out, stays in park. I vote for the latter. Which is no different from it not being running in the case where you keep parking on train tracks.
 

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No. The FOB has to be in the cab to get the vehicle into a state that allows it to be driven. It can be remote started with the app, if equipped and capable, but the FOB has to present to put it in Run Mode so it can be driven.
This is all accurate. The only backup here is that the fob has TWO separate transponders; the long range one that requires a battery, and another that works without the battery. You use that one by pressing the key against the start button.
 

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No, I'm comparing a purposely stopped and parked vehicle with a purposely stopped and parked vehicle that is also running. I specifically said that it would make sense to KEEP it in park, I did not say PUT it in park. So you stop, key gets out, and you keep driving. Versus stop, put it in park, key gets out, stays in park. I vote for the latter. Which is no different from it not being running in the case where you keep parking on train tracks.
Like I said, anyone can find objections to any attempt to be a nanny. You're on a road trip with your partner. You stop at a rest area to use the bathroom. The vehicle is running, but in park, while you go to the bathroom with the FOB in your pocket. Some emergency (one of many crazy scenarios can be imagined) requires your partner to immediately try to move the vehicle, but it won't go out of park because the FOB is in the bathroom with you.

Jeep should add an audible alert to go with the screen message when the FOB leaves a running vehicle. Nothing will be done beyond that due to a variety of safety and liability issues.
 

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My Ram will not move if you remove the fob from the cab. It'll start beeping and display a warning on the cluster stating that the key fob cannot be detected. It'll stay running, but you can't shift out of park.

Kind of surprised that the Gladiator, or any other vehicle, would not operate like this.
 

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Total BS on the liability issue for keeping it in park. It should behave like the Ram does. Now I need to go see what our BMW does.
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