4xe TEST DRIVE

[Sazabi19]

Yeah, I hear you.
My hope is that because we have a truck and it's longer then the Wrangler they'll be able to fit a larger battery. My guess is a range between 60 and 50 miles on only electric.
Loaded up with mods 20 to 30miles range. I could live with that for now.

I doubt it. I think they'll go the same route of putting it under our rear seats just like they did with the Wrangler so it's fully inside the tub and protected. I think a solar panel tonneau cover would be cool for us though

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[dstock]

An interesting read:

https://www.fourwheeler.com/news/features/2021-jeep-wrangler-rubicon-4xe-first-drive/

 

[Oilburner]

Yeah, I hear you.
My hope is that because we have a truck and it's longer then the Wrangler they'll be able to fit a larger battery. My guess is a range between 60 and 50 miles on only electric.
Loaded up with mods 20 to 30miles range. I could live with that for now.

I thought along similar lines, thinking the JT would have a bigger gas tank but nope - I would be expect it to have roughly the same battery capacity. Also, 60 mile EV range? The battery pack would weigh 3X what the Wrangler batteries would weigh. That would ad 100's of pounds.

 

[Mr._Bill]

If they put the battery in the same place on the JT as in the Wrangler, then it will have similar space restrictions which would give it about the same capacity. Unless the Electric JT is the same weight or lighter than the Wrangler, it will actually have less range on battery.

 

[Terminus33]

Ummm, no you are wrong.

“American materials scientist, a solid-state physicist, and a Nobel laureate in chemistry. He is a professor of mechanical engineeringand materials science at the University of Texas at Austin. He is widely credited with the identification and development of the lithium-ion battery, for developing the Goodenough–Kanamori rules in determining the sign of the magnetic superexchange in materials, and for seminal developments in computer random access memory.”

I think the man has plenty of street cred to make these predictions.

just an internet response of a joke upon noticing his age. That and to an idiot like me a glass battery sounds like a fragmentation machine with that rapid charging and high output.

 

[Gladman]

They would also be very expensive and require more maintenance. Diesel also produces more NOx emissions than gas which is more smog in the local air.

However, the trade off is they do not produce CO2.

 

[sirphenergan]

@sirphenergan I've heard in other PHEVs you can tell it to heat up/cool off at predeterminted times while it's plugged in. Say if I get off at 5pm in winter and want the truck to start to heat up @ 4:50 every day, is that possible that you're aware of?

This thing is so far up my niche alley. I'm getting 20+mpg average/yr in my Gladiator right now and I have a charging network at my work that only 1 person really uses, so I can get in there easy. It's also free to us My round trip shouldn't see much if any gas use. I would still have to use some gas so it woudn't go bad I know, but I only fill my truck up now once a week, about 1/4 - 1/3 or a tank each time. After 2 weeks I'm around 1/2 tank if I miss fueling up.

I haven’t seen that feature so far. I haven’t played around too too much with the charging schedule settings because I haven’t been able to get an electrician to install my level II charger yet and it’s depressing to see the charging times. More so because everywhere it shows charging times, it shows level I and II charging times side by side so I’m reminded daily of how much quicker it could be charging.

 

[kelkolb]

However, the trade off is they do not produce CO2.

Correct. They're better for global emissions but not for smog

 

[XJADDICTION]

However, the trade off is they do not produce CO2.

I mean this with all due sincerity. You produce CO2 on exhalation... are you going to stop breathing to save the planet?


Cars release CO (carbon monoxide and other pollutants that can relate to smog and poor air quality.

 

[Oilburner]

Here is some info to muddy the waters even further ?

(4) Charging station will not fit Jeep Wrangler 4xe ? - YouTube

 

[j.o.y.ride]

My neighbor brought a Rubicon 4xe Wrangler home last week. Looks nice in person.

I am not interested in it at all, but he seems to love it.

 

[wvyankee2]

4XE Rubicon 4dr weighs over 800lbs more than the 4dr Rubicon 3.6. That means a Rubicon Gladiator 4XE would weigh in at 5900lbs.

 

[WXman]

I'm not sure why talk about this always turns into a fight about the environment, batteries, etc.

The main thing should be this "375 HP and 470 torque!!!! Up to 50 mpg."

If it's reliable. Does it really get any better?

Until the battery goes below 20% which happens quickly......

Well now we're speaking the same language. I would suggest there's a specific reason, mostly political, why the grid hasn't been updated along with nuc plants. But it's undeniable, "renewable" energy is a fraction of what is being consumed on the grid. Fossil fuels still rule the day so whether it's clean coal or not the fact remains that these cars that are saving the planet still rely on the energy source that is supposedly destroying the earth.

Are we forgetting the MAIN reason, which is that consumers don't want outrageously high utility bills?

It must be nice to be in the upper class and not have to live paycheck to paycheck, but most Americans can't handle annually increasing utility costs. Coal is dirt cheap energy. Here in Kentucky 97% of our power has traditionally come from coal, and we have the lowest utility rates in the nation.


As far as the ongoing argument that gasoline engines are going away.... hogwash.

We've been hearing that for how long now? And yet, despite all of the COMPLETE change in society and tech, here we are 120 years later with ICE engines. ICE has never gone away and will never go away because it's the most practical way to do it.

Just look at the new Jeep Gladiator/Wrangler 4xe that they're showing off now. It'll go 20ish miles on pure electric power at between $0.09 and $0.16 cents per mile depending on where you live, and then has to use gasoline power at $0.11 cents per mile after that. And it takes 12-14 hours to charge the battery with a standard household outlet. What a joke. The same vehicle with EcoDiesel engine can travel 500+ miles at $0.13 cents per mile without ever looking for a place to find a power outlet.

We won't even get into how battery packs are the "dirtiest" things on vehicles that the environment has ever seen, or how the electric grid isn't ready for 200,000,000 vehicles being plugged into it every day, or how all that electricity is mainly generated with fossil fuels.

So if there is NO cost per mile advantage, there is no environmental advantage, and the upfront cost is higher can somebody tell me again WHY you would buy one of these?

 

[marcwithac]

Until the battery goes below 20% which happens quickly......



Are we forgetting the MAIN reason, which is that consumers don't want outrageously high utility bills?

It must be nice to be in the upper class and not have to live paycheck to paycheck, but most Americans can't handle annually increasing utility costs. Coal is dirt cheap energy. Here in Kentucky 97% of our power has traditionally come from coal, and we have the lowest utility rates in the nation.


As far as the ongoing argument that gasoline engines are going away.... hogwash.

We've been hearing that for how long now? And yet, despite all of the COMPLETE change in society and tech, here we are 120 years later with ICE engines. ICE has never gone away and will never go away because it's the most practical way to do it.

Just look at the new Jeep Gladiator/Wrangler 4xe that they're showing off now. It'll go 20ish miles on pure electric power at between $0.09 and $0.16 cents per mile depending on where you live, and then has to use gasoline power at $0.11 cents per mile after that. And it takes 12-14 hours to charge the battery with a standard household outlet. What a joke. The same vehicle with EcoDiesel engine can travel 500+ miles at $0.13 cents per mile without ever looking for a place to find a power outlet.

We won't even get into how battery packs are the "dirtiest" things on vehicles that the environment has ever seen, or how the electric grid isn't ready for 200,000,000 vehicles being plugged into it every day, or how all that electricity is mainly generated with fossil fuels.

So if there is NO cost per mile advantage, there is no environmental advantage, and the upfront cost is higher can somebody tell me again WHY you would buy one of these?

At this point it's happening whether you like it/agree with it or not....

 

[Dqban]

Ice engines are going bye bye...dont really know why people care. Electric engines have so much more power. Its genuinely frustrating the love affair people have with ICE. More complex, less reliable and less power.

Who cares about the power grid....im charging off solar panels. That too is coming for everyone....fully expect new construction/buildings to be responsible for producing their own electricity. Power from the utility company will become second tear for most homes.

The grid will get upgraded anyways....they have legal obligations to provide steady power. Utilities may try to fight it but electricity is too important for the government to let it collapse.

California already has laws requiring new contruction produce its own power....they a bellweather state...the country follow their lead.

ICE engines are going to be relegated to industrial non consumer use.

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