Drive-in movie debacle

[Klutch]

FYI, catalytic converters to not remove carbon monoxide.

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[ShadowsPapa]

FYI, catalytic converters to not remove carbon monoxide.

If I recall, they convert hydrogen sulfide to sulfur dioxide - an odorless gas vs. the nasty smelling hydrogen sulfide, among other conversions.

 

[Kevin_D]

FYI, catalytic converters to not remove carbon monoxide.

They most certainly do.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr...nverters/RK=2/RS=_GShtuj4CRDNfsTRuzeil493AsI-

Kevin

 

[ShadowsPapa]

They most certainly do.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr9Ik6T7hNhQbYAondx.9w4;_ylu=Y29sbwNncTEEcG9zAzQEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1628725011/RO=10/RU=https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry_Textbook_Maps/Supplemental_Modules_(Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry)/Kinetics/07%3A_Case_Studies-_Kinetics/7.01%3A_Catalytic_Converters/RK=2/RS=_GShtuj4CRDNfsTRuzeil493AsI-

Kevin

And that's apparently why we say most of the output if the system is working properly, is CO2 and water.

 

[869 KPH]

They most certainly do.

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Kevin

Huh - then they're just really inefficient at their jobs? Why else would enclosed space be dangerous?

 

[Kevin_D]

Huh - then they're just really inefficient at their jobs? Why else would enclosed space be dangerous?

A properly operating converter is about 98-100% efficient.
CO is very hazardous, so even a small amount is harmful. And one of the first things CO will do is put you to sleep, and then it’s too late.

Kevin

 

[Klutch]

They most certainly do.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr9Ik6T7hNhQbYAondx.9w4;_ylu=Y29sbwNncTEEcG9zAzQEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1628725011/RO=10/RU=https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry_Textbook_Maps/Supplemental_Modules_(Physical_and_Theoretical_Chemistry)/Kinetics/07%3A_Case_Studies-_Kinetics/7.01%3A_Catalytic_Converters/RK=2/RS=_GShtuj4CRDNfsTRuzeil493AsI-

Kevin

Thanks. I'm unable to view that link right now.

So, when people die from running internal combustion engines in an enclosed space, it's no longer carbon monoxide poisoning, but now CO2 poisoning?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

A properly operating converter is about 98-100% efficient.
CO is very hazardous, so even a small amount is harmful. And one of the first things CO will do is put you to sleep, and then it’s too late.

Kevin

Headaches first in my case. I worked in a shop where the boss had a hot tank custom made. Used a natural gas heater from a water heater or something - didn't vent it. In the winter with vehicles running inside - even with hoses out the door holes - I'd get a headache now and then. Feeling tired came later.
I almost got myself fired for arguing with him about the effects of that burner added in with the running vehicles in the winter. I finally succeeded in getting him to vent that damn thing. He was a smart guy, sharp as heck, but argued that a burner like that didn't make a difference. Maybe not by itself - but additive, accumulations - it all added up. We didn't need one more source.
Of course, YMMV due to the body's tolerance to such things, concentrations of the gases and more.

But you nailed why so many families end up dead - they fall asleep and don't realize what it's doing. When we bought our current house - the guy who lived there built it - it had CO detectors all around the room he had the furnace and water heater in, and a couple upstairs (along with multiple smoke detectors) I converted us to all electric - just didn't like the gas in the house (and our bills went down).

I wonder how efficient converters are at idle - there's a lot of different stuff going in vs. highway speeds.
At any rate - CO in the back of an open truck bed in an open area -with no breeze, considering that the weight of CO is almost the same as nitrogen, which makes up over 3/4 of our air, it's going to mix and mingle and not stay lower than the truck exhaust.
Air - 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen.
Nitrogen has a weight of 28.013 while Carbon Monoxide (CO) has a weight of 28.011.
CO mixes with Air as their weights are approximately the same.
So while the furnace may be in the basement, the CO doesn't stay there.

 

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[Kevin_D]

So, when people die from running internal combustion engines in an enclosed space, it's no longer carbon monoxide poisoning, but now CO2 poisoning?

CO2 (carbon dioxide) isn't poisonous. In high enough concentration, it can displace oxygen, and cause asphyxiation, but in and of itself, it won't kill you.

Small engines don't have converters.
And even a motor with a converter will spew all kinds of emissions until the converter is hot enough to do it's thing.

Kevin

 

[Klutch]

CO2 (carbon dioxide) isn't poisonous. In high enough concentration, it can displace oxygen, and cause asphyxiation, but in and of itself, it won't kill you.

Small engines don't have converters.
And even a motor with a converter will spew all kinds of emissions until the converter is hot enough to do it's thing.

Kevin

I'm wondering about this because in the early 2000s, one of my coworkers lost his adult son to Carbon Monoxide poisoning. His was running a late model car in a closed garage. (It was ruled a suicide, but my coworker thought otherwise. Either way, there was apparently enough carbon monoxide coming out of the exhaust to kill him.)

 

[Tufelhundin]

so what Im gathering from this "on topic thread"..... to enjoy a drive-in theater movie with a Gladiator one needs to understand the workings of a catalytic converter? Hmmmm


Noted.

 

[Terry]

So, who enjoys the great American tradition of going to the Drive-in? Went with the kids in Rubi tonight to the Wellfleet Theater to see Jungle Cruise. The Rock would have been horrified. We couldn’t enjoy his movie!

Anyone know how to turn off the silly halo headlights? How about the radio and dash lights when ACC is on? How about allowing the radio to play for an entire movie? No answers that I could find in the manual or on the internet.

I missed my JK - no halos, no interior lights, and the radio stayed on. Thank goodness we’d had pizza for dinner!

Come on jeep, how about a simple flash to the operating system to create a “drive-in” setting in the lights menu?

Ahhhhh, the drive in movies. Hastings Drive-In aka the passion pit, Pasadena, CA circa 1964. What memories that brings back. 62' VW surfer van, Mexican Blankets and Serape', Cold Beer, a willing participant and..... what movie did we go to?

 

[Klutch]

so what Im gathering from this "on topic thread"..... to enjoy a drive-in theater movie with a Gladiator one needs to understand the workings of a catalytic converter? Hmmmm


Noted.

In case you missed it, one Gladiator owner stated he leaves his engine running while at the drive-in. Another person expressed concern over C02 possibly harming the kids in the bed.

Noted?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

In case you missed it, one Gladiator owner stated he leaves his engine running while at the drive-in. Another person expressed concern over C02 possibly harming the kids in the bed.

Noted?

Imagine if everyone left their engine running........ it would get pretty hot in that area.

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