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[Ankh]

Directly? OK, I get your meaning, but I've read about people complaining about that for about 2 years and mine just hasn't been an issue - maybe if I was hooking a trailer up at night, but a member has a solution in the forum, too. He applied a film to those lights - problem solved. Still lights the plate but there's no glare in the camera.
So far mine hasn't been an issue and I back down my driveway when I come home - even at night - and use the camera to guide me down the driveway.
There must be some differences? If mine ever did get annoying I'd find the post that guy made and get the film to put on mine.





Do some research - and I don't mean the "I hate ESS dot com" web sites so many individuals - any uninformed person can and does put up with their own "opinion" with no facts.
These starters are NOT those of yesteryear. They are not using bushings, they use bearings, the brushes are totally different, everything about them is different. The whole system has been designed to more than handle it. And - it's a smart system - the PCM knows where each piston is and times the injectors accordingly, thus the starter only needs to make it go about a revolution to get it started. Warm starts aren't the killers - you starting it in the morning is what wears things.
Plenty of factual info out there.
I'm not pro or con, for or against, what I am against is the laughable stuff I see on the web out there about these.

Get used to it - it's here to stay and likely will be on even more vehicles because the rules are getting stricter, the CAFE rules are getting tighter, and some places are passing anti-idling laws. I've a PDF showing the laws around the country as of a couple of years ago - it's coming our way.

I quit using ess after having to replace battery in my 2017 Cherokee after 1.3 years of driving it (about 20k miles). The battery was well over 200 dollars much to my surprise. I've never had to replace a battery before 100k miles in any other vehicle I've owned. The tech told me the ess can decrease battery life (and in my Cherokee there was only 1 battery). Don't know if he was bs ing or if it's true. I believe my Gladiator has 2 batteries so maybe jeep has addressed this, but I'm still gun shy on using it.

On a personal note I don't believe anyone worried about the minimal fuel savings should be buying any truck to begin with. I do understand why the manufacturers are doing it...Cafe.

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[Klutch]

The auto start/stop isn't really for fuel savings. While it technically does save fuel, the amount is miniscule and the driver won't notice.

The auto start/stop is primarily an emissions device. If 500,000 vehicles are stopped at traffic lights at any given moment, that's a lot of pollution spewing into the atmosphere. If those 500,000 vehicles automatically shut off while they're stopped at traffic lights, that's a lot less pollution. And, collectively, it does save some fuel. Whether we like it or not, that's the objective.

 

[Ankh]

The auto start/stop isn't really for fuel savings. While it technically does save fuel, the amount is miniscule and the driver won't notice.

The auto start/stop is primarily an emissions device. If 500,000 vehicles are stopped at traffic lights at any given moment, that's a lot of pollution spewing into the atmosphere. If those 500,000 vehicles automatically shut off while they're stopped at traffic lights, that's a lot less pollution. And, collectively, it does save some fuel. Whether we like it or not, that's the objective.

I was referencing another post which did the math on the fuel savings from ess. I agree it does cut down on emissions. I also wonder if the number of batteries that will go to landfills will increase (And have a worse effect on the environment than the emission savings) as a result of ess being included by most companies. Seems like there could be an unforseen circumstance or a case of robbing peter to pay paul.

 

[Klutch]

I was referencing another post which did the math on the fuel savings from ess. I agree it does cut down on emissions. I also wonder if the number of batteries that will go to landfills will increase (And have a worse effect on the environment than the emission savings) as a result of ess being included by most companies. Seems like there could be an unforseen circumstance or a case of robbing peter to pay paul.

It really shouldn't affect battery life. I think there have been some bad batches of batteries. And lead-acid batteries are recycled. I supposed the plastic probably ends up in a land fill somewhere, but the lead doesn't.

 

[AstroZombie]

we all have preferences. I don’t take th e door la off because I have kids too. I’ll probably get tube doors or something. Doesn’t mean i can’t think it looks silly. Lol I’ll probably he a hypocrite too and do it my self. ?
My kids are twigs and the seat belts barely hold them in.
there are bag hooks on the back of the seat too and a truck bed for groceries.

 

[AstroZombie]

I like the handle on the floor in the back seat. Something for my kid to hold on to when the doors are off!!?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

It really shouldn't affect battery life. I think there have been some bad batches of batteries. And lead-acid batteries are recycled. I supposed the plastic probably ends up in a land fill somewhere, but the lead doesn't.

It doesn't normally cause low batter life - not these AGM batteries.
Yes, the dealer told me point-blank "we've seen a lot of bad batteries lately"
The grand cherokee, like the gladiator has two.
Yes, batteries are recycled. I sell my old batteries for 5 bucks a pop.
The plastic is recycled as well. In fact, most of a modern battery is recycled. I think there's a company that touts battery cases made from recycled plastic or some such thing.
I recently bought something made from recycled plastic grocery bags - the world has changed that way. Took in an old TV antenna and an aluminum bumper a while back - got 40 bucks cash.

 

[AstroZombie]

It doesn't normally cause low batter life - not these AGM batteries.
Yes, the dealer told me point-blank "we've seen a lot of bad batteries lately"
The grand cherokee, like the gladiator has two.
Yes, batteries are recycled. I sell my old batteries for 5 bucks a pop.
The plastic is recycled as well. In fact, most of a modern battery is recycled. I think there's a company that touts battery cases made from recycled plastic or some such thing.
I recently bought something made from recycled plastic grocery bags - the world has changed that way. Took in an old TV antenna and an aluminum bumper a while back - got 40 bucks cash.

Easy money. I deal with people and batteries every day. “It ain’t my battery it’s brand new.” Or “that battery’s been in my RV for 6 years and never gave me a problem. So it should open my gate.”
hahahaha. CCais different than aH and just cause you pulled it off the shelf doesn’t mean it’s new. Maybe it sat in the box for 8 months. Date Codes are there for a reason. ?

 

[AstroZombie]

And the auto off is for emissions not so much fuel economy. Same with hybrid vehicles like the Toyota Hylander hybrid. I think that was rated less mpg than the fuel only version. Lol

 

[AstroZombie]

I’m not an idiot all the time. Traction control keeps me in check.

 

[AstroZombie]

I also like the recline adjusters. The straps a pretty cool ?

 

[maligator]

Some of the taller guys actually hit their heads on the bar above - roof off. Sometimes there's an advantage to not being tall - not very often, but sometimes.

Lol I am tall and have enough headroom, but I have a tiny hyundai veloster N and am used to ducking all of the time. The bar above the windshield blocks my ability to see stoplights at certain intersections so I need to stay way back or duck my head under the bar at the top of the windsheild like a weirdo.

Whoever was complaining about Uconnect I feel you but every company has/will be going to this model that allows companies to monetize features of your car so they can get money from you and future owners by forcing them to subscribe to things. It used to be just for maps and remote start features but now it's working it's way into physical features like heated seats and performance.

It's amazing that you can own a car but not be able to use all of the physical features in the car that wouldn't need to have some kind of data or cellular service. It's harder to find a car that will allow you to have remote start on the fob instead of keeping it a feature that would require a future sub.

Its insidious how they are able to activate these without making you think about it when you buy it and then when you run out of your typical three years you have to pay up to keep using all the features in your car, or if you buy a used car you need to pay a sub to have all the features advertised. Now that this has been going on a while it is the new norm for manufacturers before people really have had to deal with it so it's too late

It's fair that if you have xm/gps/4g and you want that to pay for a sub. Heated seats , adaptive cruise control (BMW),drive modes(Tesla), remote start (many) is BS. This is kind of the business model of our dystopian future and we keep buying into it lol.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Lol I am tall and have enough headroom, but I have a tiny hyundai veloster N and am used to ducking all of the time. The bar above the windshield blocks my ability to see stoplights at certain intersections so I need to stay way back or duck my head under the bar at the top of the windsheild like a weirdo.

Whoever was complaining about Uconnect I feel you but every company has/will be going to this model that allows companies to monetize features of your car so they can get money from you and future owners by forcing them to subscribe to things. It used to be just for maps and remote start features but now it's working it's way into physical features like heated seats and performance.

It's amazing that you can own a car but not be able to use all of the physical features in the car that wouldn't need to have some kind of data or cellular service. It's harder to find a car that will allow you to have remote start on the fob instead of keeping it a feature that would require a future sub.

Its insidious how they are able to activate these without making you think about it when you buy it and then when you run out of your typical three years you have to pay up to keep using all the features in your car, or if you buy a used car you need to pay a sub to have all the features advertised. Now that this has been going on a while it is the new norm for manufacturers before people really have had to deal with it so it's too late

It's fair that if you have xm/gps/4g and you want that to pay for a sub. Heated seats , adaptive cruise control (BMW),drive modes(Tesla), remote start (many) is BS. This is kind of the business model of our dystopian future and we keep buying into it lol.

I'm not that tall and I still duck like my father did when trying to see the lights above. And use that visor - I pull up to a stop, raise the visor to see the lights, when it's green I go and put the visor back down. I used to laugh to myself when Dad would duck down and move himself to see those stop lights - I think back to that and recall my parents telling me one of these days, I'd see and their grandkids would get revenge for them (meaning watch out, payback is hell)

And I think to myself - if I, at only 5'8" am doing this - wow, think of others!

 

[brianinca]

There is a good reason to keep the doors light. My YJ doors are WAY heavier despite no window motors!

Yeah, but if you aren't running doors you don't need window switches. So it doesn't make sense to me from a user standpoint.

 

[The White Rabbit]

Uh, front doors off, back doors on? A lot of us have done that........ there's a few pictures of that very thing in the forums.
The biggest thing is the high power in the doors due to having to power 4 windows through the driver door - that means at least 3 added wires, and one being hot all the time giving power to those switches.

MAYBE someone has a 7 year old in the back seat - one who tends to be curious and moves around a lot...........

What he said!

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