over 1000 mi on my 3 week old gladiator: pros and cons

[ShadowsPapa]

Isn't research asking the same question over and over again?

Sort of like being retired is just being tired again?

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[Jeeperjamie]

Isn't research asking the same question over and over again?

It must be based on the amount of threads that the ESS have been responsible for on here.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

Once I read the manual and learned that 5 MPH is the threshold, I learned how to manipulate it to make it go into an ESS cycle more often. Even in the McD's drivethrough I will allow just enough space to get to 5 MPH quickly and then stop. I can make the engine shut down a few times before I get to the window.

Exactly - let the car ahead of you move, stay put a while until there's enough space.
The book tells of the conditions and like I posted - there's that mph threshold, plus the fact you can manipulate it to some extent with the brake pedal.
My wife keeps saying "pull of there" when the car ahead of me moves - nope, no hurry, we'll just have to stop again anyway......... why keep creeping ahead?
I can reach that threshold in a short distance if I don't just slide my foot off the brake and let it idle/creep ahead.

 

[Jeeperjamie]

Once I read the manual and learned that 5 MPH is the threshold, I learned how to manipulate it to make it go into an ESS cycle more often. Even in the McD's drivethrough I will allow just enough space to get to 5 MPH quickly and then stop. I can make the engine shut down a few times before I get to the window.

Exactly - let the car ahead of you move, stay put a while until there's enough space.
The book tells of the conditions and like I posted - there's that mph threshold, plus the fact you can manipulate it to some extent with the brake pedal.
My wife keeps saying "pull of there" when the car ahead of me moves - nope, no hurry, we'll just have to stop again anyway......... why keep creeping ahead?
I can reach that threshold in a short distance if I don't just slide my foot off the brake and let it idle/creep ahead.

Reading the manual must of never crossed his mind or maybe using something called the internet to figure out how it works. I try to be supportive but some of things people say on here just amaze me. Also the lack of understanding before you start knocking how something works amazes me.

 

[Labswine]

The ESS...in both my JT Overland and my GC, that's the first button hit after starting.

Fuel economy...yes, nearly all cars get a little bit better as they break in.

My JT Overland, I drove it from home (West Chester, PA) to Boston, two days after I got it. Averaged 23.5 mpg there and back. I have driven it from home to Raleigh, NC and back several times over the past year and the best seen to date (both calculated fill to fill, and observed in the VIC) was 24.4 mpg. I have around 14.700 miles on it. This is Interstate at 70-75 mpg. I get one more mpg from my '19 GC Ltd. at the same speeds (more aerodynamic ).

So I cannot understand why some of youse guys are getting lousy MPGs from your stock trucks ???

I do understand losing MPGs after lift and larger tires...more un-sprung weight, rolling resistance, engine has to work harder to get everything rolling...but otherwise???

 

[JTCANUCK]

sting grey rubicon, stock so far.

i'll start with the cons:
- very disappointed in the auto start system. last night i took the family to see a drive-through christmas light show at bristol motor speedway. the line to enter was probably over a mile long and took 2.5 hours of sitting for a minute, idling forward a car length, then sitting for another minute. pretty much like a cali daily commute lol. Once in, the show was at least 2-3 more miles long and an additional hour+. 630-1030, 4 hours total to drive 4 miles. in that entire time, the engine shut itself off THREE TIMES. No, AC was off, windows down, radio off.

however, i guarantee that when i pull in my driveway it will shut itself off, then when i shift to park, it turns itself on again, just so i can kill it when i hit the off button.

i'll refrain from sharing my suggestions for career changes to the engineers responsible for that system.

- of the roughly 1050 miles, 400 have been interstate/highway and prob 30 have been steep mountain logging roads, and the remainder small town and rural roads. avg mph currently 16.4. again, stock everything. Given how slow I typically drive and easy on the accel/decel, I'm a little disappointed.

- seems impossible to keep clean, outside and in. any mud/rain and the sides (doors) are covered.

now the pros:
- everything else is pretty much awesome. very happy overall. very impressive offroad. our German shepherd is a huge fan too.

I've been driving mine for 17 months now, through all the seasons. The ESS does seem inconsistent but I've already learned a lot in this thread.

Pretty sure no one bought these beasts for fuel economy though I've been surprised how 'economical' it can be when driven under ideal conditions - in spite of the lift and larger tires.

But yeah, I've spent more on washing this truck than all my previous vehicles combined. Black isn't a good choice for looking clean. And the big fender flares get dirty in a light breeze!

 

[SargeDiesel]

Yes and there's a good reason it didn't shut off.
It's designed that way, and as far as vehicles I've been in, that's just how they are because otherwise you'd drain the battery and worse. Stop and go traffic and waiting in slow moving lines isn't what it was designed for.
The owner manual states you must reach a certain minimum mph before it will once again function.

As far as stopping then restarting when put in park - that's also the way they are. Everyone's an engineer except real SAE engineers according to the internet - just ask anyone - they all know better and can't figure out the why of things (mostly because they hate it so don't want to understand it, simply continue to hate and complain about it and how they'd do better)

What's expected anyway - when you pull up in your driveway and hit the brakes and stop - it's supposed to know you are home and not stop?
It's not supposed to restart when you put it in park?

Isn't that how other ESS vehicle systems work?

I'm 100% with you, and I agree with what you have stated..... I was just trying to give some clarification to the poster asking if it could be turned off, explaining that the OP didn't want to turn it off, but instead wanted it to function more frequently. ?

 

[SargeDiesel]

First thing I do after starting is to turn that damn ESS feature off.
Last thing I want is that stalling feature when I stop.
Kind of a pita that it has to be deactivated on every start up.

Me to, atleast on the Ford RS I sold to purchase the Jeep. I thought I read you could permanently disabled it through reflashing or through add on devices such as a TAZER.

 

[ShastaJT6]

"Last Jeep Ill ever buy" part 3! Here we go!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

"Last Jeep Ill ever buy" part 3! Here we go!

 

[Wrathis79]

No one seems to be commenting on the other half of OP's ESS complaint, which drives me nuts as well. Namely, it is very common that ESS shuts the engine off as I pull to a stop in a parking spot. Then it restarts the engine when I put it in park. Then I turn it off since I have arrived at my destination.

Really wish it did not immediately restart the engine when put in park. Five second delay would take care of 99% of my break, engine-off, park, engine-on, turn-off experiences.

Probably b/c most of us turn it off first thing when getting in the vehicle...

 

[DavdZ]

Auto stop doesn't bother me as much as the piece of crap satellite radio and death wobble

 

[JeepTaco]

I get 15-16 consistently with under 1k on the odometer. Do i expect better with MT tires after the engine breaks in? Absolutely not and I'm ok with that. I too, like others have mentioned, shut ESS off 95% of the time.

Not very much has changed for me mileage wise. My prior daily was a 2002 montero sport that averaged the same mpg with 2wd and about 35% less power than my Jeep.

Jeep was quite an improvement if you ask me ?.

 

[aqcjeepGlad]

I have never had this experience. It has never shut off on me when I have parked.
Now that I think about it, I had a 2020 Compass with ESS and it never shut off on me when I parked it as well. It only ever shut off while coming to stops in traffic.

Maybe it's the way I drive/control the brake...as I had mentioned in some other thread, I have come to notice that when coming to a stop, I am able to stop the vehicle without having the ESS shut the engine down. It seems it is controlled by a set amount of pressure applied to the brake.
You can depress the brake peddle enough to come to a stop, but not enough to where the engine will stop. While stopped, I can continue to apply more pressure to the pedal and the engine will stop.

Anyone else notice this? I guess I may just have conditioned myself to know where that pressure point is and rarely go beyond it, as I really have no complaints how the ESS functions.

Funny thing is it only does this stop the engine and then restart it when placed into Park in my garage. IT does not do it in a parking lot. So I must do something unique when I park in the garage as opposed to in a parking lot. Hmmmm

 

[OnlyOne]

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