Has anyone disabled telematics / LTE and GPS antennas?

[WILDHOBO]

Wonder if the 7” screen has the same connectivity

Not as much. Does not have app-based remote start or door unlock. Only on key fob.

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[Mac]

Not as much. Does not have app-based remote start or door unlock. Only on key fob.

I have the 7”, I was more referring to the two way communication from the JT to Jeep to monitor and update the vehicle.

 

[WILDHOBO]

I have the 7”, I was more referring to the two way communication from the JT to Jeep to monitor and update the vehicle.

Pretty sure no over the air updates on the 7” either.

 

[Mr._Bill]

I have the 7”, I was more referring to the two way communication from the JT to Jeep to monitor and update the vehicle.

The OTA updates are only available with the 8.4 Uconnect. The updates are only for the Uconnect system, not the truck computers.

 

[dcmdon]

You own your computer. Ever hear of wake on LAN? It’s been around for probably two decades. You own your car. Technology makes it more convenient for you to use. Please let me know why you think an auto maker would have any interest in starting your car.

Wake on lan is by default turned off on most computers. And if its on, you can turn it off with one check box.

There have been stories of other manufacturers selling data to insurance companies and people with high performance cars who do track days end up with insurance problems. Either surcharges or cancelation letters.

How would you feel if Jeep sold your location data to a 3rd party and that broker sold it to your insurance company who contacted you about the difficult off roading you do.

Or Jeep used the location data to deny a warranty claim because you were off road when it happened.

This isn't tinfoil hat stuff. Its about simple ownership of your vehicle and the data that that vehicle generates.

 

[WILDHOBO]

Wake on lan is by default turned off on most computers. And if its on, you can turn it off with one check box.

There have been stories of other manufacturers selling data to insurance companies and people with high performance cars who do track days end up with insurance problems. Either surcharges or cancelation letters.

How would you feel if Jeep sold your location data to a 3rd party and that broker sold it to your insurance company who contacted you about the difficult off roading you do.

Or Jeep used the location data to deny a warranty claim because you were off road when it happened.

This isn't tinfoil hat stuff. Its about simple ownership of your vehicle and the data that that vehicle generates.

I don’t hide things from my insurance carrier. In fact, I had a proactive conversation with them about how this vehicle is used off road to make sure I had the appropriate policy. My policy covers me for off road accidents as well as on. My policy also covers my aftermarket upgrades in the event of a total loss. If I did track days, I’d insure the vehicle for that use, or I’d have enough money to not care about a claim.

Instead of worrying about someone finding out about something, just tell them up front and make sure you’re covered. If you don’t like the answer you get, switch carriers.

As far as warranty is concerned, If I break a part doing serious trails, I’ll replace it. If I couldn’t afford to do that, I’d keep it on easier forest roads. I put my Jeep in situations that could result in damage. Therefore I make sure I’m comfortable fixing it financially if something goes wrong. If someone isn’t, they should keep it at the mall.

And wake on LAN can be turned on by the IT department, and restricted so users can’t turn it off, along with virtually every bios setting.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I don’t hide things from my insurance carrier. In fact, I had a proactive conversation with them about how this vehicle is used off road to make sure I had the appropriate policy. My policy covers me for off road accidents as well as on. My policy also covers my aftermarket upgrades in the event of a total loss. If I did track days, I’d insure the vehicle for that use, or I’d have enough money to not care about a claim.

Instead of worrying about someone finding out about something, just tell them up front and make sure you’re covered. If you don’t like the answer you get, switch carriers.

As far as warranty is concerned, If I break a part doing serious trails, I’ll replace it. If I couldn’t afford to do that, I’d keep it on easier forest roads. I put my Jeep in situations that could result in damage. Therefore I make sure I’m comfortable fixing it financially if something goes wrong. If someone isn’t, they should keep it at the mall.

And wake on LAN can be turned on by the IT department, and restricted so users can’t turn it off, along with virtually every bios setting.

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My agent and I are 100% with each other. In fact, he's so honest that when I was looking into Medicare stuff this year, I contacted him to find out what he had to offer. He sent me info on all of their plans of all types, explained how he felt about each, all in an email. Then a few minutes later I got a text from him telling me of a different drug plan he liked better........... it was a bit cheaper and had good coverage for MY needs. He said he did it in text because it wasn't something he sold and didn't want it to show up in the company email LOL
When I first was interviewing agents and looking into companies for coverage when I started farming, he was among those who came to my house in 82 and we chatted about all kinds of coverage. Farm coverage can be tricky (and expensive). I told him that just getting started there were some things I didn't have of my own yet - a combine was a big one. I asked- what if I've hired someone to take out my corn and they hit a tile washout in the dark and smash up a corn head snout. Other companies said "not covered". Jeff said - oh, I consider that a collision - you hit something, right? He's been my agent since then and he's always had our backs.

WOL - yea, Active Directory, as well as other things, can handle that for you. You can lock things down soooo tight. I even used a product from Symantec that blocked us of USB ports for anything except charging. I had fun with that one when we were audited and the auditors asked if I had received any malware alerts. I'd ask - for what? They'd say "for the USB drives we inserted into computers downstairs that had fake malware on them. I explained - sorry, no alerts because your usb devices won't work in our computers unless I let them via serial number.

Anyway, there are reports of all sorts of things on the web, but so far, I have yet to see anything other than "I saw that" or "a friend told me". I've seen no letters, no pics or scans of letters or emails from any company as proof it REALLY happened.
It reminds me of when we had a conversation on the AMC forum about vacuum advance. A couple hot-rodders came in and were saying it should be hooked up a certain way or not hooked up at all because it was only for emissions. I challenged that - and they came back with a link to a post that was supposed to be from a "former engineer with GM". That "engineer" who was like Voldemort, shall remain unnamed, claimed he worked for GM and how they added vacuum advance in the early 60s for emissions control that was was all it did. That supposed post/link was spread to hundreds of sites and forums within months. However, there was NEVER any original post or source, no name, nothing other than links to the first post about it and copies of it.
So as far as the automotive hobby was concerned, a GM engineer said vacuum advance was emissions, added in the 60s and it had no other purpose.
Even when I showed PHOTOS of stock original engines from the 1940s with vacuum advance with a steel line running right to ported vacuum on the carb, no one would believe me because "a GM engineer said so" - even though NO name or proof could be found. No matter how hard I challenged it, I was wrong, the "internet" was correct. Apparently when you see enough posts (even if they are copy and paste), then it's fact.
The fact is - Chrysler Corp. came up with vacuum advance in the late 1930s to overcome stumble on takeoff because more and more townies and women were driving and demanded improvements. Ford followed quickly a year or so later with their own vacuum advance. By the early 40s it was on a lot of cars. So apparently we were really concerned about emissions in the 1930s and 40s! To this day there are people claiming that the engineer crap is truth.

So - I'm not from MO, but my mother was from southern Iowa - "show me"........
Those things seem to take on a life of their own and turn normally logical people into conspiracy theorists.

How would you feel if Jeep sold your location data to a 3rd party and that broker sold it to your insurance company who contacted you about the difficult off roading you do.

Sorry, gotta laugh about that one! Are you serious? Like insurance companies deal with that sort of thing? I think all of those parties have better things to do and if they wish to deny warranty, it's a lot easier and cheaper than that.
And if you are doing difficult off-roading, you deserve to have your insurance company know - otherwise shame on you for trying to SCAM them! I don't feel sorry at all if that was actually even possible or a reality. (which borders on tin foil hat stuff)

 

[NachoRuby]

100%
My agent and I are 100% with each other. In fact, he's so honest that when I was looking into Medicare stuff this year, I contacted him to find out what he had to offer. He sent me info on all of their plans of all types, explained how he felt about each, all in an email. Then a few minutes later I got a text from him telling me of a different drug plan he liked better........... it was a bit cheaper and had good coverage for MY needs. He said he did it in text because it wasn't something he sold and didn't want it to show up in the company email LOL
When I first was interviewing agents and looking into companies for coverage when I started farming, he was among those who came to my house in 82 and we chatted about all kinds of coverage. Farm coverage can be tricky (and expensive). I told him that just getting started there were some things I didn't have of my own yet - a combine was a big one. I asked- what if I've hired someone to take out my corn and they hit a tile washout in the dark and smash up a corn head snout. Other companies said "not covered". Jeff said - oh, I consider that a collision - you hit something, right? He's been my agent since then and he's always had our backs.

WOL - yea, Active Directory, as well as other things, can handle that for you. You can lock things down soooo tight. I even used a product from Symantec that blocked us of USB ports for anything except charging. I had fun with that one when we were audited and the auditors asked if I had received any malware alerts. I'd ask - for what? They'd say "for the USB drives we inserted into computers downstairs that had fake malware on them. I explained - sorry, no alerts because your usb devices won't work in our computers unless I let them via serial number.

Anyway, there are reports of all sorts of things on the web, but so far, I have yet to see anything other than "I saw that" or "a friend told me". I've seen no letters, no pics or scans of letters or emails from any company as proof it REALLY happened.
It reminds me of when we had a conversation on the AMC forum about vacuum advance. A couple hot-rodders came in and were saying it should be hooked up a certain way or not hooked up at all because it was only for emissions. I challenged that - and they came back with a link to a post that was supposed to be from a "former engineer with GM". That "engineer" who was like Voldemort, shall remain unnamed, claimed he worked for GM and how they added vacuum advance in the early 60s for emissions control that was was all it did. That supposed post/link was spread to hundreds of sites and forums within months. However, there was NEVER any original post or source, no name, nothing other than links to the first post about it and copies of it.
So as far as the automotive hobby was concerned, a GM engineer said vacuum advance was emissions, added in the 60s and it had no other purpose.
Even when I showed PHOTOS of stock original engines from the 1940s with vacuum advance with a steel line running right to ported vacuum on the carb, no one would believe me because "a GM engineer said so" - even though NO name or proof could be found. No matter how hard I challenged it, I was wrong, the "internet" was correct. Apparently when you see enough posts (even if they are copy and paste), then it's fact.
The fact is - Chrysler Corp. came up with vacuum advance in the late 1930s to overcome stumble on takeoff because more and more townies and women were driving and demanded improvements. Ford followed quickly a year or so later with their own vacuum advance. By the early 40s it was on a lot of cars. So apparently we were really concerned about emissions in the 1930s and 40s! To this day there are people claiming that the engineer crap is truth.

So - I'm not from MO, but my mother was from southern Iowa - "show me"........
Those things seem to take on a life of their own and turn normally logical people into conspiracy theorists.




Sorry, gotta laugh about that one! Are you serious? Like insurance companies deal with that sort of thing? I think all of those parties have better things to do and if they wish to deny warranty, it's a lot easier and cheaper than that.
And if you are doing difficult off-roading, you deserve to have your insurance company know - otherwise shame on you for trying to SCAM them! I don't feel sorry at all if that was actually even possible or a reality. (which borders on tin foil hat stuff)

I don't tell my insurance company I off-road. I wouldn't expect them to cover it anyway. I didn't know off-road coverage was a thing. Is offroad damage something insurance companies will cover? I always assumed any damage that occurred offroad (other than warranty issues) would be on me.

 

[WILDHOBO]

100%
My agent and I are 100% with each other. In fact, he's so honest that when I was looking into Medicare stuff this year, I contacted him to find out what he had to offer. He sent me info on all of their plans of all types, explained how he felt about each, all in an email. Then a few minutes later I got a text from him telling me of a different drug plan he liked better........... it was a bit cheaper and had good coverage for MY needs. He said he did it in text because it wasn't something he sold and didn't want it to show up in the company email LOL
When I first was interviewing agents and looking into companies for coverage when I started farming, he was among those who came to my house in 82 and we chatted about all kinds of coverage. Farm coverage can be tricky (and expensive). I told him that just getting started there were some things I didn't have of my own yet - a combine was a big one. I asked- what if I've hired someone to take out my corn and they hit a tile washout in the dark and smash up a corn head snout. Other companies said "not covered". Jeff said - oh, I consider that a collision - you hit something, right? He's been my agent since then and he's always had our backs.

WOL - yea, Active Directory, as well as other things, can handle that for you. You can lock things down soooo tight. I even used a product from Symantec that blocked us of USB ports for anything except charging. I had fun with that one when we were audited and the auditors asked if I had received any malware alerts. I'd ask - for what? They'd say "for the USB drives we inserted into computers downstairs that had fake malware on them. I explained - sorry, no alerts because your usb devices won't work in our computers unless I let them via serial number.

Anyway, there are reports of all sorts of things on the web, but so far, I have yet to see anything other than "I saw that" or "a friend told me". I've seen no letters, no pics or scans of letters or emails from any company as proof it REALLY happened.
It reminds me of when we had a conversation on the AMC forum about vacuum advance. A couple hot-rodders came in and were saying it should be hooked up a certain way or not hooked up at all because it was only for emissions. I challenged that - and they came back with a link to a post that was supposed to be from a "former engineer with GM". That "engineer" who was like Voldemort, shall remain unnamed, claimed he worked for GM and how they added vacuum advance in the early 60s for emissions control that was was all it did. That supposed post/link was spread to hundreds of sites and forums within months. However, there was NEVER any original post or source, no name, nothing other than links to the first post about it and copies of it.
So as far as the automotive hobby was concerned, a GM engineer said vacuum advance was emissions, added in the 60s and it had no other purpose.
Even when I showed PHOTOS of stock original engines from the 1940s with vacuum advance with a steel line running right to ported vacuum on the carb, no one would believe me because "a GM engineer said so" - even though NO name or proof could be found. No matter how hard I challenged it, I was wrong, the "internet" was correct. Apparently when you see enough posts (even if they are copy and paste), then it's fact.
The fact is - Chrysler Corp. came up with vacuum advance in the late 1930s to overcome stumble on takeoff because more and more townies and women were driving and demanded improvements. Ford followed quickly a year or so later with their own vacuum advance. By the early 40s it was on a lot of cars. So apparently we were really concerned about emissions in the 1930s and 40s! To this day there are people claiming that the engineer crap is truth.

So - I'm not from MO, but my mother was from southern Iowa - "show me"........
Those things seem to take on a life of their own and turn normally logical people into conspiracy theorists.




Sorry, gotta laugh about that one! Are you serious? Like insurance companies deal with that sort of thing? I think all of those parties have better things to do and if they wish to deny warranty, it's a lot easier and cheaper than that.
And if you are doing difficult off-roading, you deserve to have your insurance company know - otherwise shame on you for trying to SCAM them! I don't feel sorry at all if that was actually even possible or a reality. (which borders on tin foil hat stuff)

Where’s my option for a “super like” for this perfect response?

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I don't tell my insurance company I off-road. I wouldn't expect them to cover it anyway. I didn't know off-road coverage was a thing. Is offroad damage something insurance companies will cover? I always assumed any damage that occurred offroad (other than warranty issues) would be on me.

They won't cover it normally - but there are a lot of options with mine I've not even looked into because I don't use my vehicles for many of those things. They do know I tow - and I checked into that because I'm typically covered for towing, what I tow, and if I'm moving household contents, said contents are covered in my vehicle or the trailer I'm using, my trailer is covered and so on.
I don't know why anyone would be worried about an insurance company knowing you went down a rocky trail in a park anyway. So what if my agent or insurance company knows about any of that? Unless you have a really low deductible, any scratches from trees or brush will be on you anyway under the "that'll buff right out" clause.
So much of what some are worried over is to me a "so bloody what" thing. There are bigger things to worry about! Life has enough stress - why cut it shorter with that?

 

[WILDHOBO]

My insurance company DOES cover off road use. I asked them, and I have it in writing. Just ask them. My policy covered it without extra cost. I won’t file a claim unless it’s super serious, like major body damage. As @ShadowsPapa said, scratches are a choice going in. I do pay extra, about $600 per year, to have them cover my aftermarket upgrades up to a total coverage of 75k. I provided receipts and pictures of the upgrades. My rubicon stickered for 56k (I paid 52k), so am covered for a total loss for 19k in upgrades. For $50 more per month.

 

[kad's_Glad]

Those things seem to take on a life of their own and turn normally logical people into conspiracy theorists.

So is that what happened at the end of 2020?? - "a GM engineer said so" ?

But back to the topic at hand. I like to think I keep my tin foil in the drawer (mostly), but I do think there should be a simple way to turn a “feature” like this off. Personally I don’t care enough at the moment. But should I change my mind - it should be as simple as flipping a switch or changing a software check box. The software engineers will likely say it’s impossible to separate the two things. In reality some group at some meeting back in the day just chose to design the systems without a disconnect option. Not the choice I would have made if I were running the meeting.

 

[dcmdon]

I don’t hide things from my insurance carrier. In fact, I had a proactive conversation with them about how this vehicle is used off road to make sure I had the appropriate policy. My policy covers me for off road accidents as well as on. My policy also covers my aftermarket upgrades in the event of a total loss. If I did track days, I’d insure the vehicle for that use, or I’d have enough money to not care about a claim.

Instead of worrying about someone finding out about something, just tell them up front and make sure you’re covered. If you don’t like the answer you get, switch carriers.

As far as warranty is concerned, If I break a part doing serious trails, I’ll replace it. If I couldn’t afford to do that, I’d keep it on easier forest roads. I put my Jeep in situations that could result in damage. Therefore I make sure I’m comfortable fixing it financially if something goes wrong. If someone isn’t, they should keep it at the mall.

And wake on LAN can be turned on by the IT department, and restricted so users can’t turn it off, along with virtually every bios setting.

You are absolutely missing the point. It should be your CHOICE to tell them. Your vehicle shouldn't be reporting your whereabouts to your insurance company.

Jesus, do none of you value your privacy anymore.

Let me guess : "Why would you have something to hide if you aren't doing anything wrong?"

 

[dcmdon]

They won't cover it normally - but there are a lot of options with mine I've not even looked into because I don't use my vehicles for many of those things. They do know I tow - and I checked into that because I'm typically covered for towing, what I tow, and if I'm moving household contents, said contents are covered in my vehicle or the trailer I'm using, my trailer is covered and so on.
I don't know why anyone would be worried about an insurance company knowing you went down a rocky trail in a park anyway. So what if my agent or insurance company knows about any of that? Unless you have a really low deductible, any scratches from trees or brush will be on you anyway under the "that'll buff right out" clause.
So much of what some are worried over is to me a "so bloody what" thing. There are bigger things to worry about! Life has enough stress - why cut it shorter with that?

Its none of their business where you go. Its your life, its your truck. If you have a claim, then you manage the details of your claim.

 

[dcmdon]

it should be as simple as flipping a switch or changing a software check box. The software engineers will likely say it’s impossible to separate the two things. In reality some group at some meeting back in the day just chose to design the systems without a disconnect option. Not the choice I would have made if I were running the meeting.

Yes. Flip a hard switch and turn off power to the LTE modem. Simple as pie. Or it should be at least.

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