2022 Wrangler 4xe lease (bend over and lube up)

[DirkG]

With gas prices what they are, my wife and I have kicked around getting a Wrangler 4xe to replace her Acura RDX. I'm still not convinced of the longevity of current-day Li-on automotive batteries, so I definitely wanted to go the lease route. She loves blue, so we searched and found a hydro blue 4xe on a semi-local lot.

Test drove it, she liked it. Spent a decent amount of time in it. The salesman was friendly and all that, but there's no way I'm sitting down and going through the charades (especially with 2 young kids). That night I sent out local inquiries for lease prices. I always go $0 down. Now, I admit, I've been purchasing and leasing many, many cars for many, many years and I'm aware this is probably the worst time to ever lease a car. The chip shortages are still affecting inventory and the interest rates / APR are all over the map. I was still curious.

The internet/fleet manager of the dealership we visited came back with a quote on the exact 4xe we looked at. $0 down, $920/mo + tax. So basically a grand a month. In my inquiry I had sent her the baseline Jeep corporate lease advertised at $375/mo for 36 months. $3,930 total due at lease signing (which equates to $484.17+ tax with $0 down) and she said, yeah were not participating in that lease program. Ha.

The funny part was my wife said, "they want a thousand a month for a car that I have to manually move my seat??" Yeah, I'm not sure my wife should be a Jeep owner. One thing is for sure, I'm waiting a long time before I get lease quotes again. Or I'd go the Gupton purchase route (which I'm not ready to do on a 4xe).

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[Snazz22]

I ran into a similar situation when trying to take advantage of a fca lease deal on a ram 1500 a few years ago. I believe those lease programs advertised do more to hurt brand loyalty than help it. When the dealer don't have to participate then what is the point of offering it? You are just bringing people into the showroom with false advertising.

 

[The Bean]

Yeah the dealer is definitely on some stuff for sure. Buddy of mine has a 2021 4XE Sahara fully loaded (MSRP ~$66k) and his lease payment after taxes is $411/mo for 10k miles a year for 36 months.

I’m going to be ordering a 4Xe here soon and going through a broker, 4Xe rubicon’s are around $438/mo (with a $65k-$67k MSRP).

I’d say walk away and never look back, but really you should run away from that dealer and pretend it never happened.

 

[Tommyd]

Wow!!! I would just buy it for that much and save some money. I hear ya though

 

[AustinL911]

I, for one, welcome a crashing economy. Maybe it'll bring all these stupid prices back down to reality.

 

[@californiajeeping]

Quick story about jeeps:

I bought a 2020 gladiator sport s for 36,500 (msrp with no discount) plus tax and lisc. So I owed lets say 40-42k. I made my payments for 2 years and 40k miles. I traded it in for $36,000.

It cost me ~$250/mo to drive it for 2 years. It was not well taken care of and I put around 20k/miles a year. It spent alot of time in the sand and had some dents and scratches.

If you took better care of the vehicle paid under MSRP and kept the mileage down I bet you could mitigate that down to $180-190 a month cost for 2 years.

I am not sure why you would lease one of these vehicles. that was trade in on a very dirt windshield cracked tires worn out gladiator. The purchase price on the new diesel was around 2-3% under msrp so I plan the exact same costs with it but this time its not a main vehicle/commute vehicle and not the choice offroad trip vehicle.

 

[PlayfulBird]

gas prices what they are

Maybe also check out real world use of the 4xe. Plenty of time the car forces gas to be used even when the battery is full and you just want to run a short errand (for example to ensure the oil stays good). In many cases, if u exceed the battery range, it guzzles worse than many alternatives.

 

[bleda2002]

No way you should be even close to that. Residuals are around 62-65%, plus you should get the 7500 applied to cancel our a huge part of the payment. If you aren't around 500 bucks they're screwing you over on residual, money factor, and pocketing the tax credit.

 

[The Bean]

Maybe also check out real world use of the 4xe. Plenty of time the car forces gas to be used even when the battery is full and you just want to run a short errand (for example to ensure the oil stays good). In many cases, if u exceed the battery range, it guzzles worse than many alternatives.

All of what you just said is completely false. The vehicles does NOT force you to use gas. There are several powertrain modes you can select from, but the vehicle will run on pure battery power. In no instance will it force the gas engine on if the battery is fully charged. You can even select a regen mode that will use the gas motor to recharge the battery without needing to plug it in as well. Very very good energy recapturing system. Also
It is one of the most efficient (and the #1 selling) PHEV on sale, and the only PHEV in the Off-Road segment. The closest competitor would be a RAV4 Prime but that vehicle is only sold in select states, are impossible to find, and can’t do what the 4Xe can.

 

[PlayfulBird]

All of what you just said is completely false. The vehicles does NOT force you to use gas. There are several powertrain modes you can select from, but the vehicle will run on pure battery power. In no instance will it force the gas engine on if the battery is fully charged. You can even select a regen mode that will use the gas motor to recharge the battery without needing to plug it in as well. Very very good energy recapturing system. Also
It is one of the most efficient (and the #1 selling) PHEV on sale, and the only PHEV in the Off-Road segment. The closest competitor would be a RAV4 Prime but that vehicle is only sold in select states, are impossible to find, and can’t do what the 4Xe can.

I posted this in the hope you will inform yourself.
Your information is incomplete and false to a point. Everyone can read a brochure.
My statement is not false, and I would like you to not make claims based on hearsay... your statement proves to me that you do not or have not owned a 4xe for long.
We have several 4xe renegades and wrangler owners in our group. Some modified some stock. Some tow and some don't. All have said it is a fun, powerful option, but they don't get anything near advertised and in our climate definitely not.
We actually just had a loaner and yes there is a time when it will not go into full electric to regenerate the oil etc.... also temperatures...
It can run on battery only but will not do it permanently to make sure engine and co stay in good condition... if there has been a certain time frame it will force your engine on.
This happens with renegades also...

I am sorry to burst your bubble, but no it is neither the most efficient, nor is it one of the best. And so what if it is the most selling. Plenty of stuff sells that ain't good.... (drugs, sex etc.... it is marketing) simply the shape of the vehicle will put it way behind competitors. Also, hybrids have been on the market for a long time now, and I doubt no matter what you do, you won't beat a Prius. So maybe that's an option. There are hundreds of technical and scientific posts discussing what is wrong with the 4xe when looking at it from a green washed standpoint. If there was not we would not hemi swap we would freaken get them 4xe swaps.

You're entitled to your opinion. Do not attack mine, especially when it is based on experience.

 

[PlayfulBird]

That does not mean the 4xe is a bad vehicle. If you buy it because you want a wrangler with awesome power, great acceleration and fun gadgets, it is great. Please don't greenwash it. Please don't act like it will save you tons of money.

It is a JEEP!

 

[The Bean]

I posted this in the hope you will inform yourself.
Your information is incomplete and false to a point. Everyone can read a brochure.
My statement is not false, and I would like you to not make claims based on hearsay... your statement proves to me that you do not or have not owned a 4xe for long.
We have several 4xe renegades and wrangler owners in our group. Some modified some stock. Some tow and some don't. All have said it is a fun, powerful option, but they don't get anything near advertised and in our climate definitely not.
We actually just had a loaner and yes there is a time when it will not go into full electric to regenerate the oil etc.... also temperatures...
It can run on battery only but will not do it permanently to make sure engine and co stay in good condition... if there has been a certain time frame it will force your engine on.
This happens with renegades also...

I am sorry to burst your bubble, but no it is neither the most efficient, nor is it one of the best. And so what if it is the most selling. Plenty of stuff sells that ain't good.... (drugs, sex etc.... it is marketing) simply the shape of the vehicle will put it way behind competitors. Also, hybrids have been on the market for a long time now, and I doubt no matter what you do, you won't beat a Prius. So maybe that's an option. There are hundreds of technical and scientific posts discussing what is wrong with the 4xe when looking at it from a green washed standpoint. If there was not we would not hemi swap we would freaken get them 4xe swaps.

You're entitled to your opinion. Do not attack mine, especially when it is based on experience.

Nice of you to assume.

I speak only purely from experience of having driven a 4Xe in longer trips and nearly 150 miles off road through several National and state park trails.

You mentioned Renegade 4Xe, and it seems you’re in Germany. The WLTP cycle and the American EPA cycle are very different, with the EPA cycle being closer to real world estimates.

I’ve gone more than 50 miles on full electric alone in a 4Xe Wrangler, most of which was stop and go traffic l, which allowed the electric battery to regen from braking.

I’ve seen my buddies 4Xe travel nearly 600 miles between fuel-ups, because he is almost exclusively in EV mode, and uses public and home charging whenever possible.

There are always market differences between global models, so you might be experiencing something that doesn’t apply to the US market. I can’t say I’ve ever experienced the engine kicking on when the battery was more than 5% charged unless you’re flooding the gas pedal and it kicks on to compensate for the low battery charge.

In the US it’s the only PHEV in the off-road segment, and the #1 selling PHEV in America. I have attached a chart from the US EPA comparing the RAV4 Prime (a class size below, and geared towards on-road only use) and an X5 XDrive50e which is the closest midsized PHEV in the US market to the Wrangler 4Xe. The Prime is more efficient, but it’s also an overall smaller vehicle and weighs less than the wrangler. It’s also not a brick and flows better through the air. The X5 is much more comparable in size and weight to the 4Xe and both are similar on efficiency.

 

[doc-ketamine]

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[atoy74]

I'm still not convinced of the longevity of current-day Li-on automotive batteries...

They're warrantied for 7yr 100k I believe.

 

[dcmdon]

I don't have time to run all the numbers.

But in short. its absolute INSANITY to switch from an RDX to a Jeep Wrangler 4xe. Any Jeep Wrangler 4xe because "With gas prices what they are".

You will never make it up. NEVER.

Either don't do the deal. Or admit, that you just want another Jeep and are willing to spend for it.

There is no money to be saved here.

Especially when you consider that the RDX is a vehicle that you could run to 200,000 miles if you wanted to. Or more practically would remain a nice driving, good looking rig for 120,000 miles.

A version 1.0 Jeep hybrid is a vehicle you don't want to own after the warranty is gone. Which is probably why you are considering leasing. Smart move.

Also, the JL forum is full of horror stories of 4xe owners
1) waiting months for parts
2) having to deal with service writers who don't understand how these things work.
3) having to deal with techs who have not yet been trained on this vehicle, so if anything becomes even a bit challenging, they need to go to Jeep and get guidance.

Actually, now that I mention all that. Maybe you should keep the RDX for when the Jeep is in the shop.

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