Official: Hurricane Twin-Turbo 3.0 I-6 Coming for Jeep With Over 500 HP and 475 ft-lbs!

[Teqsand]

It is actually designed to fit anywhere that a Hemi fits, so it would fit in the JL/JT platforms. Biggest problem is that it would have to be certified in the platform it is used in, and so far that is the Grand Cherokee L and the Wagoneer. As a dealership technician, I am not interested in owning a Hurricane engine, but I understand wanting more power. I just don't want it if it involves the additional complications of this new engine. Incidentally, we are beginning to see failures in the 2.0 liter that shares a lot of technology with the 3.0. This does not bode well for the 3.0, but they will eventually get it worked out right.

Just something that is out there

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/is-the-jeep-wrangler-getting-a-new-i6-engine/

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[willhonkforparts]

The mojave just needs a factory supercharger

100%. 400hp on a reliable tune, please add thank you. Heck, I'd settle for 375/375.

 

[smlobx]

From what I have read, the Hurricane is too long for fit the JT/JL platform, but a 2nd smaller (less powerful) engine is in works for global use

Source??

 

[Teqsand]

Source??

Posted above

 

[smlobx]

Th

Posted above

That article has a lot of speculation and even it states that Stelantis is developing the "tornado" engine to fit in tighter spaces...

 

[Teqsand]

Th


That article has a lot of speculation and even it states that Stelantis is developing the "tornado" engine to fit in tighter spaces...

Agree, I didn't state it as fact, and there is a corresponding Forbes article on same subject....

And I did mention a smaller version (tornado) to fit on the smaller bays like the JT/JL platform

 

[dcmdon]

Cuts Emissions, Increases Fuel Economy And Is More Powerful. Anything that gives more Power and cuts emission means more problems with buildup and failure due to higher stresses. Not my type of thing. Still love the old blocks. Just enough power and live forever.

It is the same with the Diesels. Great engines, until you mess with recirculating emission and trying to add systems to make it fart rainbows and butterflies.

This isn't even close to true. (though I agree with you about diesels)

In 1982, the Corvette made 180 hp (about) and you were lucky if it lasted 100k miles.

A modern Corvette makes 460 hp and up and the engines can run to 200k miles if taken care of.

Modern cars continue to get more powerful, cleaner, and longer lasting.

What they aren't is easy to work on. That's the downside, but for the most part, everything else is up side. Part of why this is particularly a problem for us is that our dealer network sucks and we don't get loaners.

No, I couldn't work on my wife's Volvo. But every time I brought it in to the dealer for a warranty repair it was fixed perfectly the first time while I drove home in a new XC90 loaner. We had one delay when a rear hatch strut was back ordered. I brought it in because the rear hatch wasn't going up all the way. No big deal. But when the dealer said the strut was going to be 5 days out and I should just keep the loaner, I was happy as a clam.

 

[PlayfulBird]

This isn't even close to true. (though I agree with you about diesels)

In 1982, the Corvette made 180 hp (about) and you were lucky if it lasted 100k miles.

A modern Corvette makes 460 hp and up and the engines can run to 200k miles if taken care of.

Modern cars continue to get more powerful, cleaner, and longer lasting.

What they aren't is easy to work on. That's the downside, but for the most part, everything else is up side. Part of why this is particularly a problem for us is that our dealer network sucks and we don't get loaners.

No, I couldn't work on my wife's Volvo. But every time I brought it in to the dealer for a warranty repair it was fixed perfectly the first time while I drove home in a new XC90 loaner. We had one delay when a rear hatch strut was back ordered. I brought it in because the rear hatch wasn't going up all the way. No big deal. But when the dealer said the strut was going to be 5 days out and I should just keep the loaner, I was happy as a clam.

I understand where you come from.
I do not fully agree with your comparison, also do not necessarily agree that your cons and pros to engines 't actually apply to that many people. Many will agree with you, many will feel the same about older engines and see less power or economy not at all a priority.

For every failed block (of course there are many old blocks that were not well engineered or had faults) back in the day, there is at least 15 modern engines that won't make 100k.
Fact is that if you downsize the engines, they will have to work harder, with higher pressures and smaller margins/tolerances.
I would also wonder if it depends were you located. Many places in Asia and Europe are downsizing to the extreme. Isuzu Dmax Pickup had a 3 l diesel. Great truck, towed well, was reliable they gave a 1.8l diesel and said it tows just as much, just as well and is just as reliable. I am sorry.- It is and does not.

The great thing today is that you can simulate almost everything and that our machines and robots are way more reliable and accurate.

Happy that you have had great experiences and enjoying your loaner.

 

[dcmdon]

I understand where you come from.
I do not fully agree with your comparison, also do not necessarily agree that your cons and pros to engines 't actually apply to that many people. Many will agree with you, many will feel the same about older engines and see less power or economy not at all a priority.

For every failed block (of course there are many old blocks that were not well engineered or had faults) back in the day, there is at least 15 modern engines that won't make 100k.
Fact is that if you downsize the engines, they will have to work harder, with higher pressures and smaller margins/tolerances.
I would also wonder if it depends were you located. Many places in Asia and Europe are downsizing to the extreme. Isuzu Dmax Pickup had a 3 l diesel. Great truck, towed well, was reliable they gave a 1.8l diesel and said it tows just as much, just as well and is just as reliable. I am sorry.- It is and does not.

The great thing today is that you can simulate almost everything and that our machines and robots are way more reliable and accurate.

Happy that you have had great experiences and enjoying your loaner.

I dont' know how old you are, but 100k was an absolute rarity back in the 70s and 80s. In the 70s a car was DONE by 100k. The Volvo I just sold had 145k on it with original (still functional) shocks, no oil leaks, full compression, a good oil analysis, and its original (stainless) exhaust.

I literally did a water pump, alternator, and power steering pump as the only repairs in 145k miles.

My wife's previous Volvo (2.5 Turbo) went 165k miles with only a steering rack ($1600) and an alternator ($450) for repairs. We sold that after 15 years of ownership with it at 20 years old, this fall.

Prior to that my 1.8L VW went 150k miles before I sold it. Chipped with an APR chip to 200 hp from 50k miles, no mechanical repairs other than a new turbo for $1200 at 145k. It was an electrical disaster, but mechanically bulletproof.

I don't mean any disrespect, but you are simply wrong. We are currently living in the golden age of the internal combustion engine. Better than at any point in the 60s or early 70s.

I write this as an old car enthusiast. I own a 66 Chevy convertible, my dad owns an MG-A and an early Corvette. I grew up with great American iron. Corvettes, 454 Cadillac convertibles, etc.

Sure turbos make more power per square inch. But only when that power is being asked for. Which is a minuscule amount of time. Most of the time the average auto engine is making between 0 and 100 hp. A modern corvette requires on the order of 40 hp to cruise at 70 mph for example.

So what does that "highly stressed " turbo civic need to make? 25 hp??

As an aside. When my dad got his late 50s Corvette in 1980, I remember how fast it was compared to modern cars. It would smoke a new Corvette EASY. it ate Mustang GTs for lunch.

But now, you can buy a Civic that accelerates harder, brakes harder, and turns quicker.

And by the way. My dad needed to rebuild the engine of his Corvette at 85k original miles because it was leaking oil past the valve guides. When we took it apart, we found rings coated in lead. Done at 85k.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The great thing today is that you can simulate almost everything and that our machines and robots are way more reliable and accurate.

In the 1990s, I worked at Compressor Controls Corp. We engineered the control systems for turbo-compressor equipment. We could take a compressor to the edge of surge and operate it on the bleeding edge.
Our field engineers would go out and connect our equipment to gather data, run their compressors to the edge of surge (scary, taking a compressor to the edge of destruction - something worth hundreds of thousands and more)
Then they'd come back and all that data got put into a simulator the size of an enclosed server rack system. Somewhere OS9 came into play - that was YEARS ago......... but over 25 years ago it was amazing what could be simulated. Today it's got to be 1,000 times better with the processing power we have in our pockets, the speed.............

 

[bd100]

OS9 gets mentioned on the JT forum!

 

[bd100]

OS9 gets mentioned on the JT forum!

 

[PlayfulBird]

golden age of the internal combustion engine

You may be right.
I guess I am talking also pre crazy emissions for emissions sake changes. I love the 427 Tri Power, L88 and Z1, LS6. The FE or the crazy silly AV1970 Hemi. HEck a new 6.4 Hemi or a ton of the duramax
But it seems sadly many want to see that era end. Heck maybe we find something everyone can be happy with.
So I will enjoy my Grand Cherokee 3.0 OM642 CRD until it dies, the pentastar until it burns and then try to still get it hemi-swapped (2 companies in Germany that may do it) before we are not allowed to do that kinda thing any more. 2025/30/35 depending on who you ask

 

[ShadowsPapa]

OS9 gets mentioned on the JT forum!

Microware or microsomething that was NOT microsoft. They used a specific processor - man that was eons ago. Sort of like Unix. That cabinet could duplicate a machine as large as a locomotive, according to the guy who helped put it together. It basically emulated turbo-compressor machinery so our controllers could be run against them in simulation.

 

[Glad17]

This is awesome/exciting news, but I'm still looking for a high performance PHEV or straight up electric more than a a straight gasser.

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